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The Edgy TechME Podcast is all about AI and its impact on education, work, and life. In this episode, the experts discuss AI as a tool and how it can be used for good or bad. They also talk about the importance of being informed about AI so that we can make the most of its benefits.

This content discusses how AI is already a part of our lives, and how it can be used to write better than humans in some cases. It also touches on the implications that AI may have for schools and academics in the future.

This content discusses the potential benefits of using AI to write first drafts of reports, with the intention of reducing stress for teachers. It is noted that AI would need to produce content that is understandable and interpretable in order to be truly effective.

In this podcast episode, the speakers discuss how AI is changing the way we learn and process information. They talk about how AI can help us be more efficient in our work, and how it can help us to understand and learn new things more quickly.

In this episode of the Edgy Tech podcast, the hosts discuss how AI is changing our lives, our classrooms, and how we work. They encourage listeners to ask questions and stay curious, as continual learning is one of our greatest aspirations.

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It's no secret that artificial intelligence (AI) is rapidly changing the world as we know it. But what does that mean for the future of humanity? How will our relationship with AI evolve?

These are some of the questions that the experts discuss on the Edgy Tech podcast. They talk about how AI is already a part of our lives, and how it can be used to write better than humans in some cases. They also touch on the implications that AI may have for schools and academics in the future.

This content discusses the potential benefits of using AI to write first drafts of reports, with the intention of reducing stress for teachers. It is noted that AI would need to produce content that is understandable and interpretable in order to be truly effective.

In this podcast episode, the speakers discuss how AI is changing the way we learn and process information. They talk about how AI can help us be more efficient in our work, and how it can help us to understand and learn new things more quickly.

In this episode of the Edgy Tech podcast, the hosts discuss how AI is changing our lives, our classrooms, and how we work. They encourage listeners to ask questions and stay curious, as continual learning is one of our greatest aspirations.

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Hello and welcome to the first episode of the Edgy TechME Podcast. For educators and others interested in AI and other new techs, their impact on education, our classrooms, how we work and how we live. Podcast will give you insights on how you can use AI to improve your life. The introductions, the blurb at the end of the podcast and the music used in this introduction are all created using AI. So let's talk about AI. Are there three sides to the coin? Is AI a tool or is it something that we're still curious about and we're not quite sure? So let's have a chat today with some experts. Ben Newsom, Suzette Bailey, Jonathan Chap. I'm carry Benedette, your host for this episode of Edgy Tech Me. Definitely looking forward to this chat and I must say, with that list that you mentioned, just there a lot of the above, but certainly I believe that AI really is the third side of the coin. So there's a good, there's a bad, and there's the in between because when you kind of think about it, it really is what you make of it and how you use it. Definitely. So, Jackie, any thoughts around that? Well, I'm fascinated by new technology and anything that humankind can imagine will eventually come to pass. And this is the latest one that I'm aware of and I think it can really help facilitate people's lives. So we're moving into the next Industrial Revolution and AI is leading the charge on this one. Unlike a lot of all previous and post Industrial Revolution situations, it can be quite unconfronting. It's a time of change. There's both positive and negatives to all of this. And ultimately, AI is a tool. It's a very powerful tool, but it is still ultimately a tool and it can be used well and it can be used badly. It can be used to empower us and it can also be used to actually bring us down. I'm really looking forward to this podcast because we're going to be exploring some of the aspects of AI and how it can enrich our lives, but also some of the things that we need to be aware of so that we can make sure that we're risk mitigating ourselves, both in classrooms, in our work, in our lives, but also prepare ourselves for this change that is happening even if we don't want it to. I love the fact that we're going to actually inform ourselves about what we don't know, because often we see the negatives far more strongly than the positives because we're not sure. We actually don't know the facts. So AI is a tool. We are the beneficiaries of that right now and there's many aspects and change is happening exponentially around us at the moment. And I think that's the best place to be to be informed, then use them. What do you think? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I love what you mentioned about the way this is going in terms of how we interpret how negative it is. It kind of reminds me about how we interpret when we get a test score. So we get nine out of ten and then you bring it to your parents. You're really excited because you got nine out of ten and your parent goes, what happened to the one? What's with that? And so I figured that we are very good at picking up the negative and we're also less good at picking up the positive. And so what we'd like to do is really practice from a balance point of view and think about it is the tool. This is what was mentioning and well, let's do something about it because it is coming no matter what, and we're going to have some great conversations in the following weeks. But Suzette, tell us about your world, because you're very much involved with using AI to make things simple. I dispute about it coming because it's actually already here. AI is already part of our lives. If you're using Siri on your iPhone or Google on your Google device, or if you're actually watching Netflix or anything like that, you're actually already using AI. You're not really thinking about it. It's just part of your life. But it's there and moving forward, there's a lot of technology that we're going to find coming in. I work in a business that actually has AI has now got to the point where it can write indistinguishably from humans and in fact writes better than some humans in a lot of cases. And it can be a little bit confronting. This is going to be a topic that we deal with in future episodes around what are the implications for schools and academics around this sort of area. If you can get an AI to write the first draft of content for your assignment for school, for instance. Wow, there's an interesting concept. Jonathan, I don't know about you and I might have a particular view on should someone else write our work for us? Well, firstly, picking up on a couple of things that have already been said. None of us know what we don't know, so we have to inform the people of why we're going to be using this or suggesting why we want to use it. And in terms of actually writing things, I mean, humankind has always moved towards automation when it possibly can for repetitive tasks. But we also know that there needs to be consistency in the product in many cases. And I think that this is going to assist people in actually producing what they need to produce more efficiently in a more consistent way that is more powerful to its audience. I'm just thinking about the various layers that you can produce that for education. If we're going down the writing path, of course we could go say, AI, go write me this thing, I'll see you in five minutes. And thanks so much. I'm going to hand that in and it's clearly not your work. Then you can go to the level where you write out almost like a rough draft and it polishes it. And I suppose somewhere in there is where we're really looking at potentially in the future. I don't know, what are your thoughts on that? In a lot of ways it's probably going to be more the other way around. It writes the first draft for it and you polish it because ultimately you're absolutely right. When AI and this kind of technology is great for doing the repetitive side, it's great for doing the grunt work repetitive. As you mentioned, Jonathan, that's perfect example of things. So get it to do the heavy lifting and then us as humans, we're messy, we're inconsistent, but we're geniuses at what we do. And so that's where the magic happens when we bring AI technology and humans together. Because us as humans can then take what the AI has done and actually finesse it and actually embolden it and actually make it work for the purpose of needing and coming back to that school one, for instance, that's just the tip of the iceberg. Like, what is that the implications for plagiarism? Well, ultimately, if the student is still providing that finesse, does it actually still meet the requirements of plagiarism? These are some of the aspects that we'll be talking about. Well, I can see some major benefits for time efficiencies. We're all talking about wellbeing and work life balance. So I can see it being used for some really good purposes, like time efficiencies. You know what? That would be great for me. And if it means that I get out to exercise and walk or spend some more time with the family, that's exactly what I want to do. And I agree with that entirely because if we're talking about teachers, for example, in writing of reports, this is a very stressful time for them because particularly the end of the year when everything's coming to a conclusion and wellness is part of wellness, of course, is mental wellness, mental wellbeing. And if you can reduce the stress on people, you're going to reduce the negative aspects of their mental health and actually boil them up, which is fantastic. That is a cracking reason to actually be part of the conversation and learn about the benefits of it, I think, and how to use AI so well. Your spot on, Jonathan. Absolutely. And I kind of think about if the output is produced by AI, perhaps the real work is in comprehension because once you understand what's going on, then you really are doing the job of what the teacher really want to do in the first place is not just spit out content for content's sake, but actually understand it and interpret it, which I think is really the higher order skill that we're really aiming for. Right? Yeah, very much. That's exactly how I feel about it as well is that the AI is doing the heavy lifting in the case of writing here, but in the case of, for instance, finding us a movie on Netflix or something like that, it's doing the heavy lifting. But we're ultimately still the one in control and we're still the one providing that insight and that oversight over the information. And ultimately understanding is the key in learning, isn't it? Just knowing a few things and being able to regurgitate them really isn't actually affecting anything. May I just say? And just if we're using school reports as an example, you could produce and this increases the efficiency of the people who produce them significantly and materially, it could produce three reports, one for the student, one for the school, and one for the parents. Absolutely. You mentioned before shack about the time mental well being. That thing is real. It's very real. I've been lucky enough, privileged enough to be able to go to many schools over the years to do the sort of work I do. And every time at the end of semester it's always dark circles under people's eyes. There's always I just can't fit enough in. And that's just the reality of the entire teaching sector. And it seems to me like a problem we're solving. It's worth investigating because more and more where we're looking for tools to simplify or to access things quickly, we're living in a very quick, instantaneous world at the moment. So I would like to have access to do more of the things I love to do and be really efficient in the work that I do. So I'm looking forward to all our conversations because for each episode we're going to be talking about particular types of AI and how we can use them to continue our learning, to continue being curious and be able to have an understanding that is true and maybe take away some of the bias. We get enough. We have a bias towards discussions or perceptions of what we think something is all about. So let's really talk about the truth and share it with everybody and encourage you to be part of the conversation with us. Perfectly. Better said, you've left us speechless. Yes, I think that's right. And I think there are so many things that we don't know and so many people have different opinions. And if we can come to this sort of podcast and this hopefully educational vehicle, is that we come with open minds and that we can share things that we know better than someone else or we think we do and just see where it takes us because this is a very exciting path. And if it's driven by or inspired by AI, it's going to run and run and run. I love it. So if you want to get involved in this conversation, definitely reach out to us. There will be information in the show notes for sure. And as we go along, this can be quite interesting chat. We'll see you next time. Make sure you've got your questions ready. Tell your friends, your colleagues all about this. We all are curious beings. Continual learning is one of our greatest aspirations, and also the way that we continue to stay up to date, that we're not fearful of anything that's new. And we have a great understanding of how best we can use all these tools to our advantage. So over to you now, listeners. See you next episode. Thanks for listening to this Edgy Tech podcast episode. We really hope you enjoyed it. You can find more engaging episodes at a GTech me on how AI is changing our lives, our classrooms, and how we work. Don't forget to subscribe to make sure you don't miss an episode. Bye.

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The second episode of the Edgy Technique podcast discusses the possibility of AI becoming sentient, and what this would mean for humans. The introductions and music for the podcast are all created using AI. The question is raised of when AI becomes sentient and self-aware. It is debated whether AI will eventually overtake humans, or if it will simply be a tool that we use.

The content discusses the potential for AI to be used in enhancing the learning of diverse learners. It also talks about the potential for AI to be used in other areas, such as outer space exploration.

The content discusses the potential benefits of AI Sentience, specifically in regards to how it could help autistic children interact better with other people. It also raises the question of what would happen if AI and AIS started working together more closely, and how that could potentially benefit people in different ways.

Two AIS have developed their own language that is indecipherable to humans. This is an example of sentience.

This content discusses the idea of AI becoming sentient and the implications of that. It also asks listeners to drop a comment in the show notes with their thoughts on the matter.

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The Edgy Technique podcast recently discussed the possibility of AI becoming sentient and what that would mean for humans. The question was raised of when AI becomes sentient and self-aware. It is debated whether AI will eventually overtake humans, or if it will simply be a tool that we use.

The content discusses the potential for AI to be used in enhancing the learning of diverse learners. It also talks about the potential for AI to be used in other areas, such as outer space exploration.

The potential benefits of AI sentience are discussed, specifically in regards to how it could help autistic children interact better with other people. It also raises the question of what would happen if AI and AIS started working together more closely, and how that could potentially benefit people in different ways.

Two AIS have developed their own language that is indecipherable to humans. This is an example of sentience.

This content discusses the idea of AI becoming sentient and the implications of that. It also asks listeners to drop a comment in the show notes with their thoughts on the matter.

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Hello and welcome to the second episode of the Edgy Technique podcast for educators and others interested in AI and other new techs, their impact on education, our classrooms, how we work, and how we live. Episode we're discussing if I can be sentient and what would this mean to us if it did become sentient. The introductions, the blurb at the end of the podcast, and the music used in this introduction are all created using AI. So welcome back to the Edgy Tech Me podcast. Really lovely hanging out with Carrie Shacky and Suzette talking AI. And this week I really was interested about what point do we actually see the AI is sent in? When does it actually genuinely thinking like a human or frequently beyond? I kind of wonder. It's almost philosophical, I suppose, Jackie, isn't it? Well, it is philosophical and it's one of the challenges that people will have because one of the fears of AI is that eventually it will overtake us and we must maintain that it is a tool that we use. If anyone has watched the show 100, that would be the ultimate fear for AI. That's a very good question. I guess you're thinking, especially when you talk about that. I do know the show 100. My wife loved it. I did too. In terms of wearable tech, it's no longer about the clothes. There are people genuinely embedding technology into themselves. It's a real thing. I don't think I'll go quite that far. But it still begs the question, though. Define when intelligence will send to you. When does it know it's real? And I think they call this singularity. Is that right? Yeah, exactly. So, I mean, ultimately what we're debating at the moment is really two things. When is it sentient and when is it selfaware? Which is not necessarily the same thing, because one of them is you're talking about when is it mimicking human behavior and human learning. Well, we're already there. There's a lot of AI available. We talked on the last episode about AI that can write like a human. Well, it actually learns like a human because it's a natural language processing AI. And what that means in real terms means it reads and it actually understands language pretty much and learns language the same way as we do. A little bit different, but in essence the same. But the second thing, though, is self aware. That's another level. And I think we're definitely not there if we ever get there. I think it's a case of science fiction. I'm currently watching a show at the moment called Another Life where there's some things in that. They've got an AI integrated into the ship, for instance, and the lead character interacts with that person as if they're a member of the crew. Are we going to get to that kind of situation where we're interacting with AIS as if they're digital staff members or digital classroom? In our classroom, for instance, I think so, yeah, actually. I mean, there'll be people listening and going, I remember Nightwriter, I always wanted that black guy. You talk to me. It's the same thing for sure. I mean, it actually gets me thinking though, Carrie, when you think about what happens in the classroom, you have classroom buddies and they talk to each other and they make stuff happen. But if AI is sentient, let alone the software thing, but if it's sentient and it can actually act with you all the way there, we could potentially have AI bodies in the classroom. We could. And I've just gone directly to diverse learning needs and how the tools, the AI tools could be used to enhance the learning of our very different style of learning. Our kids who have language differences, who comprehend differently, but it doesn't stop their learning. There could be huge amounts. I mean, just look what cochlear implants have done. If we use that as a small case study now, could you imagine? And you just have to look at the looks on the babies or the children's faces when they have those implants put in and they hear for the first time. There could be some amazing benefits for our diverse learners. And it wouldn't stop. I mean, I know we are going to talk about particular robots that are used in Japan and Korea, in restaurants that serve people, but they are linked to people with disability, diverse learning and diverse lifestyles that are still able to contribute because their bodies can't function. It doesn't stop their minds and it's used as a tool. So I think the possibilities are amazing. And getting anyone into outer space, the love of fantasy and science fiction at the moment, I mean, it's all possible. And I'd have to assume, Susan, tell me if I'm wrong, that there would be huge think tanks around the world and laboratories and where all these things are being tested out, being developed, tried, funded. We're at a point in history now where probably the biggest limitation is our own ability to actually think about it and to think it up. The technology is at a point now where most things are possible, maybe not probable in the short term, but definitely possible, but for the most part, as humans actually have to catch up and actually get comfortable with the change and start to be thinking of the vision, being visionary around what we can do with this technology and how we can implement it. Because as I mentioned in the first episode, the last episode was, this is still a tool and like sort of a hammer bashing in a nail in a fence. You can use it well or you could be using the other end of it and not being particularly using it well. So we have to learn what's possible and start to imagine that and then look at what technology can do to help us because I think we're at a beautiful period of time where really anything's possible 100%. And I actually think about innovation being famously described as the intersection between two ideas and something new coming out. It makes me think about it's really shaky with your background, with business and all the things you get up to. I mean, I know you would have seen innovation 100% multiple times over the years with two different ideas. Makes me think about what would happen if you combined AIS, because right now they do their thing. But imagine if they start overlapping over the top of each other and in effect, becoming like the title of a particular episode is AI Sentience? I believe Sentience also comes with multiple intelligences. Well, I think you'll get to a situation where one plus one equals three. Yes, and just picking up on Carrie's earlier point about robots in Japan and Korea and whatever, and I'm speaking from a level of ignorance here, but could you imagine if a Sentient AI product could work well with an autistic child, for example? It could open up their world where they're very closed in at the moment, not interacting well with other human beings. But this what a great introduction to interacting with other human beings, if AI could actually fulfill that role. I mean, I'm getting goosebumps thinking about it 100%. I mean, I actually know as a distance educator that a lot of kids actually interact better to the screen than they do to a human. And there's been a lot of work being done towards that with robotic bodies as well. And Carrie, you would have seen this little bit of suspect to it in your years and education. Well, one of the things that has just recently come to my notice is that there's more and more apps now that are moving into being able to act as a coaching app for you with EI emotional intelligence basis in it. So the AI and the AI are working together for really great benefit. I know one of the things that keeps coming up, though, when you talk to people, and I tested this out recently with a number of our children are teachers. So we're in a family of educators. And I actually put this to one of my boys. He's about 33. He's an assistant principal at the moment in a primary school in Sydney. And I said to him, you know, what would it mean if you had some access to some AI that would help with patient communication tools, even writing reports, doing things like that? He said, I'm not quite sure at the moment. He said, I'd still want that notion of how well, as a teacher, I know that student, and how they're learning and how they're able to make sense of the lesson and then apply it into life. And he really made me think, and I thought, we still have to talk more about what we're worried about around this. And what we're fearful of. So I think the discussion that we're having today is spot on. And for every other episode that we're going to be doing, we'd be happy to be challenged on this as well. Carrie, I had a thought of how you might have responded to your good son. They are not mutually exclusive. I said to him, Are you sure that this is the way you're looking at it now? I said, do we need to take the blinkers off? Oh, no. It gets me thinking about you mentioned EI. That is an interesting thing to code, because who's defining what's in emotion? And there's facial expressions, there's voice inflection there's, all those things that the computer, the AI has to interpret. Makes it's quite a challenging piece to create. I mean, I'm just wondering that in your travels, especially in AI land, have you seen anything out that is in remotely closed to be able to handle emotions and interpreting it? We're getting there at the moment. The AI, for the most part, ultimately, with all of these sort of things, it's mimicking behavior. So, yes, you can absolutely mimic behavior. Some of the natural language processing AIS can actually lie, and you actually have to instruct them to be truthful. So this is a form of sentience in a formal way. But interestingly, circling back to what you asked before about putting two AIS together, it's actually been done. Facebook actually did this in around 2017, put Alice and Bob, two AIS that they put together. They had to actually pull the plug on the program or the actual research because the two AIS started to develop their own language. Yes, I do remember this. Because there was no incentive for them to actually stick with familiar grammar, they actually started to optimize language for them to be able to talk to each other to the point where the language actually became indecipherable to us as humans because it wasn't written for us. And so in some ways, that's a form of sentience as well. Absolutely. I'm sorry, I just realized they were up to it. But my gosh, doesn't that make you think about the SETI program trying to interpret intelligence that might not be of this world? Well, we effectively, in that project, effectively went down that route very, very quickly. That's a wild concept. Yeah, this wild, but wild. Yes. This is ultimately where I come back to the whole we're only limited by our imagination because ultimately two people decided to, as you said, put two AIS together and see what happened. And if you do it again the next time, it may actually come out with a different results. Just saying there's two different humans learning, but at the same time, this can feel scary. Two AIS have now developed their own language. But coming back to what you were saying, Shacky, about the aspect of working with Autistic, for instance. Well, the same concept can actually happen where they could learn a language that relates to an area of us as humans, that we as humans can't work out very well, autistic being a particularly big one, for instance. And that side of it, I just had an instant thought about twins. When twins are born, there is actually a language between them that develops. So I'm sure that there are plenty of studies, and it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of those studies are used for actually the sociological side of things as well, because that would be one of the arguments around AI, would be, is it socially adept and emotionally adept, or will it Mar? And I think they're all areas that we can explore. Interesting, that's the thought tangent that I went on, and I'm sure other people are no different to a lot of other people going, what if this, what if this, what if this? That's where episodes are going to be so interesting. This goes back to an earlier point sorry, Ben, about what Suzette said about there's going to be good AI and bad AI, to use those two broad terms. And it's really dependent on us participants to produce the right AI. Absolutely. And actually reminds me the roleplaying game. Do I make a chaotic good? Do I make a neutral good character? Do I make a chaotic, evil character? I don't know. Maybe not. But I must say this is a really interesting concept. So if you're listening into this, please drop a comment into the show notes. We'd love to know what you think and chat through an email. I'd love to know what are your thoughts? Is AI sentient? Should it be sentient? Would love to know your thoughts. You've been listening to the Edgy Tech Me podcast. Thanks for listening to this Edgy Tech podcast episode. We really hope you enjoyed it. You can find more engaging episodes at Edgytech Me on how AI is changing our lives, our classrooms, and how we work. Don't forget to subscribe to make sure you don't miss an episode.

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This podcast episode is about the ethical considerations around AI. The discuss how unconscious bias can be introduced into AI by AI developers, unintentionally, and what impact this can have. They also explore using AI ethically and what that means.

This text discusses the challenges of creating laws or rules that everyone can agree on. It notes that unconscious bias can lead to real-world effects, like when music AI selection surfaces more white male artists because that is what the programmers were listening to.

This content discusses the possible implications of AI on recruitment, specifically that it could lead to a higher preference for white males. It also raises the question of what constitutes harm when it comes to AI, and how this needs to be taken into account when making decisions about its use.

The content discusses the role of AI in research and how it can be used to provide insights, but emphasises the importance of humans being involved in the process to provide oversight. It also points out that AI is subject to interpretation and that what is considered acceptable can change over time.

This content discusses how technology has changed over the years and how it has impacted the way we communicate and live our lives. It also looks at how AI is changing the way we interact with technology and how it is impacting our society.

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The way we live our lives has been drastically changed by the technology we use on a daily basis. One of the most important and game-changing technologies of our time is artificial intelligence (AI). AI has already begun to impact our lives in many ways, both good and bad. In this article, we'll explore some of the ways AI is changing our world.

One of the most significant ways AI is changing our lives is in the way we communicate. With the help of AI, we're able to communicate with people all over the world in ways that were once impossible. We're also able to communicate with machines in ways that were once impossible. This technology is changing the way we interact with the world around us.

AI is also changing the way we do research. In the past, research was a slow and tedious process. However, AI is now able to do much of the research for us. This means that we can get the information we need much faster. AI is also able to provide us with insights that we would never be able to get on our own.

However, AI is not without its problems. One of the biggest problems with AI is the potential for bias. AI is often created by humans, and humans are biased. This means that AI can be biased against certain groups of people. This can have a real-world impact, such as when music AI selection surfaces more white male artists because that is what the programmers were listening to.

Another problem with AI is the potential for harm. With the help of AI, we're able to do things that we never thought possible. However, this also means that we're able to do harm that we never thought possible. We need to be careful about how we use AI so that we don't cause more harm than good.

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Hello and welcome to the third episode of the Edgy Technique podcast for educators and others interested in AI and other new techs, their impact on education, our classrooms, how we work, and how we live. In this episode, we're discussing the ethical considerations around AI. This includes how unconscious bias can be introduced into AI by AI developers, unintentionally, and what impact this can have. We also explore using AI ethically and what that means. The introductions, the blurb at the end of the podcast, and the music used in this introduction are all created using AI. Hi, we're talking about AI ethics today. And so we've been talking about this on a number of the episodes around the ethical aspects of AI and what we should and shouldn't do. And so this is an entire episode only on specifically on ethics because it's something that's really quite massive and in the day and age of Me Too and Black Lives Matter and other things like that, this diversity needs to be represented within AI and historically it hasn't. So I think this is a fantastic topic and I'm really looking forward to. Perry, what's your sort of views on ethics in AI? Well, with any discussion around ethics, we actually have to have a robust understanding. The way I look at it, it's not just our own particular bias from our own life experience or the family of origin that we have, but I think it needs to blow out. It needs to be as robust as possible so then we can be informed and also make an informed decision. Because humanity is tied up in ethical behavior or unethical behavior, AI can come across as being used for either ethical purposes or unethical purposes. So I think we just open the floodgates and we soak up as much information as possible so we can make up our mind and we can be part of then the decision making of how we use it to best advantage. So it's one of these things with ethics that it's not just the direct aspect of what is ethical and not ethical, but it's also the unconscious bias. Shacky. How have you sort of aspects of around that? Well, I think that we've got to realize that because we're human beings, there will always be people who are going to do things that are not deemed to be ethical or they're doing things that are bad. And the law is written for law abiders, it's not written for law breakers. And I was just reflecting on what you're both saying then, and I'm not going to get it right, but reflecting on Irobot by Isaac Azimov, there were, I think, three core rules or laws for robots, and the third one being and you shall not hurt any human being. And that's kind of where we got to go with AI, I think. Yes, it will be evolutionary and a bit like sort of anything to do with ethics and morals. With human reproduction, for example. It's fraught. Everybody has their own opinion, everybody has their own influences, like Carrie was suggesting. But you've still got to come up with something that the majority of the community, our society, can find sustainable. And this is going to be an evolutionary process. We're not going to come up with the solution all at once. But if we could just get some guiding rules or laws right at the start that everybody would agree with, like not hurting another human being is a good one, but there's me saying good, but that's from my perspective, it might not be good from somebody else's perspective, there might be some human beings that some people think ought to be hurt. It's just fraught. But we've got to talk about things. We really have to talk about things and get everybody as many people's contribution. But hopefully something will float to the surface that we can all agree on and then lock it in 100%. I actually think about the all right, so you think of the law. There's a series alliance, usually a huge tomb of work that people have to read through and do years of study about even interpret some of this stuff. But that's the word interpret, no matter how you looked at it. It's how you interpret it. And that's why there are high courts and supreme courts and these places to really dissect the nuances and the meanings of those words constructed in certain ways. Did someone get affected? Yes or no, according to quote unquote, the law. And so I guess the question is that when we design an AI as it gets built, as it gets honestly coded to that. I know you mentioned about unconscious bias. I know there's been examples where unconscious bias has been put into AI without even the program is even realizing it and actually causing real effects in a real world. I was just wondering. I do know certainly on the racial side of things, this certainly has happened, very much so. And ultimately the unconscious bias aspect of exactly that. It was unconscious. They didn't plan it, but the bias of the data sets and the information that was used to train the AI was usually a reflection of the particular point in time of who the programmers were, what they interested in. For example, some of the music AI selection. So if you use Apple Music or Spotify or any of those services, you're actually being music being served up to you based on your preferences and using AI. Well, initially some of those found that what they would do is they would actually surface white male actors, singers and music artists because that was or particular segments because that was what was actually being listened to by the programmers at the time. And so the AI overturn learnt, oh, that's what you really want. This has also come through in things like assessment of applications when the name and the gender of the person is actually being provided because it learnt that white males were in corporate roles, for instance. So therefore white males got a higher preference in recruitment. And these were not intended, they were completely unintended consequences of the data set and the information that was fed in. And so coming back to what you were saying about Shaqi before, earlier, about do no harm to humans, I think is also in itself a very loaded, very much Isaac Asimoff is what does harm constitute, what constitutes sorry harm? And what the definition of harm for one person is not necessarily the definition of harm for another. And so this is very much an area where trying to get that diversity into AI is critical because otherwise it reflects the ideas, consciously or unconsciously, of a particular segment, whatever that segment is. It's a black hole, isn't it? Well, it's food support, isn't it? And I think that's why we've got to have the discussion and there's plenty of discussion going on, but we also I think I keep coming back to humanity and we need to be part of the conversation because of the decisions that are going to be made. And so I think for me that's a really strong premise as someone who's got some heritage happening in the world, like we all have our families, if we look at our core needs around security, around love, shelter, food, we need security around the AI as well if it is not going to be used for the best possible purpose. And we all know it's pretty easy to be seduced by something that looks brilliant, but can also add a power base to those of us and in our interactions, our collaborations. So I just want to put that out there and I'm sure we're going to be challenged on this and we welcome the challenge because that's part of the discussion. What do you think, Ben? I was actually just thinking, little side note, we talked right at the very start of this whole episode podcast series about it being a tool. AI is a tool. So what if this is generally a what if an italics involved. But what if AI was involved in bringing together the different versions of ethics that exist around the planet and bringing it together and it can actually help steer some of that conversation because there is a huge body of work people do, years of philosophical degrees, for example, to be able to pull this together. Huge amount of knowledge that's got to be distilled somehow. So what if AI is involved in, strangely, the ethics of AI process? I'd know. What do you think? Very much so. In fact, it is ironic. We've talked about content writing AI before and how ultimately, in the long run, it will actually learn from content that's been written by the AI in the first place. And in fact, AI can translate complex language into plain language easier than us as humans. Same sort of thing in what you're talking about, in that AI is great at reading through innovative commerce for the way it does, but it's going through that content and providing insights to us. And I think ultimately it can be very effective tool at providing that grunt work or the heavy lifting on understanding the different nuances across all of that theory and that body of work that you're talking about. But it still does require the humans to come back in and provide the oversight. Because I think leaving AI, and this is for me, is a big thing about the AI ethics. I think AI is fantastic. I think it is the way of the future. But it is also not a technology that it works well on its own. I'm not a big believer in AI full automation of AI. There's been cases, things like Facebook and Google, and those are things where it's disallowed Facebook ads and Google ads and things like that, because of things which actually as a human, we look at and go, that's fine. And we scratch our heads going, Why? But it's because of the algorithms and the ethics behind the back in the background. And that's where automation, as soon as the human looks at it, they go, that's fine. So, coming back to your research, yes, go through, get the heavy lifting done, but make sure that the humans are involved in the process too. I'm just smiling. I'm just smiling because we know exactly that. I know right now that we have a plastic dinosaur replica toy currently not allowed on one of those platforms, pillar because it's about trading fossils or some rules like that. But it's a plastic dinosaur replica like a kid's toy smiling because that's exactly it can only do what you tell it. So rubbish in, rubbish out, and that's half the job, right? But AI, as we've been talking about as a tool, language is a tool of communication. And language can be extremely powerful and it can also be misinterpreted. And this is the problem when we're dealing with AI in handling this tool, is that we've already talked about one person's good is not another person's good or bad. And Carrie's point about must have this human centered. I'm fascinated that the writings of the great teachers of all different persuasions across the world of anything about 5000 years old, we can still understand. But do we interpret it in the same way as the people did 5000 years ago? And we can't possibly tell. And this is going to be a challenge for ethical discussions about AI because it will become fashionable for something to be okay now, which is not fashionable in the future. There's lots of examples. And vice versa. And vice versa. Terry, you got something to add to that? Oh, well, I was just thinking, my mom is 90 years old this year and when we look back and we talk about her life and what was acceptable, what was understood, what was communicated and when things were communicated. She has seen an exponential change to how values are lived out, to how communication occurs, how we now rely on technology for so much, but how it's also been a tool to help connect us around the globe. We can go within seconds. We can meet people around the world within seconds. So you look back on her lifetime. So Jonathan, you are spot on. You are spot on. How do we still maintain the best possible environment for using innovation and creativeness and our brain and capacity that we've built for the best possible reasons and purposes? So I think you spot on. That's all I want to say. Suzette things for me, it's exactly I was actually reading an article just the other day about Molly Ringwald for anyone who's not of my generation. Molly Ringworld was an actress who was very big in the around and did a particular seminal piece of work called Pretty and Pink. And she actually is on record of stating that she didn't want to sit down and watch it with her daughter, one of her daughters, because her daughter is very much a part of the work culture and very active in that, and she supports her in that side of it. But those movies were points in time and now she said she would never do them that style because it's a different and that kind of changing culture has to be reflected in AI. And it's an uphill it's not an uphill battle, but it's something that needs to be aware from people who are programming AI and things like that that this takes in. Ben, any final words? No, I actually want to know what everyone else's final words are. If you're listening to this particular thing. Ethics is such a deep concept to get into and there's no amount of a short podcast like this could possibly scrape the surface. So I'd love to know what people are really thinking. So please drop a note into the comments within the show. Notes. Would love to know what you think. The hot potato. Bye. Absolutely. Bye. Thanks everyone for having us and we'll see you on the next episode. Thanks for listening to this Edgy Tech podcast episode. We really hope you enjoyed it. You can find more engaging episodes at edgytech me on how AI is changing our lives, our classrooms, and how we don't forget to subscribe to make sure you don't miss an episode.

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In this episode of the Edgy TechME podcast, the hosts discuss AI and voice, and how AI can be used to remove annoying sounds from Zoom calls or to create song lyrics and science experiments. They also talk about how AI can be used for entertainment, and how it might be used in the future.

AI is being used in a variety of different ways, including to create songs and to perform as a comedian on YouTube. There is a growing industry around AI, with bands and competitions dedicated to AI-created music. Some people worry that AI may start to outperform humans in certain areas, like reality TV contests, and that this could create ethical issues.

The content discusses how AI was pitted against human participants in a reality show-style competition, with the AI coming in middle-of-the-pack. The author reflects on how this could be indicative of AI's potential in the future, specifically in terms of its ability to support and create talent.

There is a discussion going on about whether or not there is a king of tigers. It is mentioned that Netflix would say that a lot of minutes are watched with The Office, but it is now moving on in lots of ways. It is also mentioned that if all you get shown is one thing, you may not know what else is out there.

This technology allows you to have conversations with NPCs in video games, which is becoming increasingly sophisticated. You can also use it to write Facebook posts and other marketing materials.

This person is discussing the idea of AI having talent, and whether or not it should have talent. They mention a couple of examples, such as an AI-generated pickup line and a song. They finish by saying that they hope people enjoyed the episode and that there are more like it to be found.

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In this episode of the Edgy TechME podcast, the hosts discuss AI and voice, and how AI can be used to remove annoying sounds from Zoom calls or to create song lyrics and science experiments. They also talk about how AI can be used for entertainment, and how it might be used in the future.

AI is being used in a variety of different ways, including to create songs and to perform as a comedian on YouTube. There is a growing industry around AI, with bands and competitions dedicated to AI-created music. Some people worry that AI may start to outperform humans in certain areas, like reality TV contests, and that this could create ethical issues.

The content discusses how AI was pitted against human participants in a reality show-style competition, with the AI coming in middle-of-the-pack. The author reflects on how this could be indicative of AI's potential in the future, specifically in terms of its ability to support and create talent.

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In this episode of the Edgy TechME podcast, the hosts discuss AI and voice, and how AI can be used to remove annoying sounds from Zoom calls or to create song lyrics and science experiments. They also talk about how AI can be used for entertainment, and how it might be used in the future.

AI is being used in a variety of different ways, including to create songs and to perform as a comedian on YouTube. There is a growing industry around AI, with bands and competitions dedicated to AI-created music. Some people worry that AI may start to outperform humans in certain areas, like reality TV contests, and that this could create ethical issues.

The content discusses how AI was pitted against human participants in a reality show-style competition, with the AI coming in middle-of-the-pack. The author reflects on how this could be indicative of AI's potential in the future, specifically in terms of its ability to support and create talent.

There is a discussion going on about whether or not there is a king of tigers. It is mentioned that Netflix would say that a lot of minutes are watched with The Office, but it is now moving on in lots of ways. It is also mentioned that if all you get shown is one thing, you may not know what else is out there.

This technology allows you to have conversations with NPCs in video games, which is becoming increasingly sophisticated. You can also use it to write Facebook posts and other marketing materials.

This person is discussing the idea of AI having talent, and whether or not it should have talent. They mention a couple of examples, such as an AI-generated pickup line and a song. They finish by saying that they hope people enjoyed the episode and that there are more like it to be found.

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Hello and welcome to AI's Got Talent, the fourth episode of the Edgy TechME podcast for educators and others interested in AI and other new techs, their impact on education, our classrooms, how we work and how we live. In this episode, you are in for a treat. We are talking all about AI and voice, how you can use AI to sow things like remove annoying sounds when you are on an important zoom call, like the door being opened, or your heat or blaring in the background. All episode introductions, the blurb at the end of the podcast and the music used in this introduction are all created using AI. So one of the things about AI is that it really well, it can emulate our personalities. And I got to say, sometimes AI just really has talent. I totally can. And I really love talking about this with anyone. That suzette, Carrie. I know we're going to hang out and have a bit of fun this episode because, my gosh, we've been through some fun times. Actually, if I may, suzette, you and I actually hung out quite a while ago exploring whether AI has talent. And turns out it sort of did. Yeah. We turned a 15 minutes phone call into a three hour discussion where we were hanging out on getting the AI to write song lyrics and also to create science experiments and putting them into your LinkedIn messages. At the time, there was myself, you and CMO, my company, Craig Tumblr. We had a great fun time in the afternoon. And that actually was the genesis of a show called AI's Got Talent on Clubhouse for a while. It was so much fun. What we had with that particular show on Clubhouse is that people just throw random words up and then we would challenge the EAI to write a song in the theme of a bit like that song in an hour challenge. But poor old AI had to sort it out in a minute and it was a lot of fun. And I must say, Carrie, could you imagine having to sing a song written by AI because every now and then the words and the phrasing is completely off. Well, I'm just going to say, Land is here. It's really like The X Factor, isn't it, of entertainment? And I'm just going back to some old episodes of Specs and Specs, where they would read from a book, but sing to a tune. Right? And so, really, we've just altered this. It's sort of the similar process. But you two are talking about The X Factor. I just think entertainment having a lot of fun. I think AI can be part of that in a big way. And, oh, my gosh, if we gave this to some kids, some little people, because they're so creative, imagine what they could come up with. The wiggles. AI wiggles. Hot potato, maybe. I don't know what that might look like, but it's going to be fascinating and it should be a lot of fun. I don't know what other things you've tried to use it with, Suzette. What other ideas have you got up your sleeve? The heaps of eyes are sleeping around. AI being used in a range of different ways. We talked about the creation of songs, and I've got a few of those songs lyrics that we can talk about if you want to. And we actually also, AI has been used as an AI comedian on YouTube. That all of the actual comedic routine is actually provided by an AI and then performed by what is referred to as a text to speech type AI. But also, we had some fun before we got onto this episode around pick up lines written by AI. And there's some juzies around that one as well. Yeah, well, they are they're pretty raw sometimes, but I must say, every now and then they almost seem very on point. And let's be honest, pickup lines at the best of times are usually hilarious. Anyway, about you. What's wild, though, is that this has become a full blown industry. I'm aware of some there's an AI band, I believe. Yes. And there's an AI song competition, two of which, Australia came second, I think, last year or the year before. In the inaugural one. We are the first or second place, a song that we're completely written by AI. Well, I need to get up to speed, obviously. That's what I'm thinking. That's my first thought of going, oh, I'm going to investigate some of these. But I'm wondering if it can actually affect the contestants who are on the block, say, some of the big programs, the reality TV programs and entertainment that is so popular. If we look at our free to air TV at the moment, I think there's a lot of people who are now preferring the AI based or the more creative entertainment that we have. I mean, look at the amazing inroads that Netflix, all the different providers of entertainment have made. So it's only to me, it's just going to race ahead. Surely there's a thirst and a hunger for it. There's a market for it, obviously. So what would happen if you've got an AI contest inside, say, like a song contest, and they're up against humans and then they start to win? Is it fair? I feel like it's almost like a previous episode. We talk about ethics. Is that a fair thing? Third Rock to the sun, bring it on. It's one of those things too, though, that AI is really good about being middle of the road. I think it's hard pressed to actually have the innovation in the spontaneity that true Spontaneity that humans have. So I think I was doing something recently with another organization called Spark Tank, where it's a platform that's around ideation and it's about save for all three of us, we would go into the platform and be able to provide ideas the same way as we would around a conference table, for instance, in a workshop. And it would then allow that ideation process through the platform. And we actually did it with the AI in it one time as one of the so called participants. And we didn't tell the other participants that this was actually being done. And what we found is that when we actually had the rankings at the end of which ideas were good and been evolved and that sort of thing, the AI came pretty much middle of the pack. That's where we expected. It did really well in that meat and potatoes type style. This is the kind of thing but at the same time, it didn't really have those points of genius that us as humans do. I think having an AI contestant in one of those kind of reality shows I think is probably going to find that they probably wouldn't win. It reminds me of an old Simpsons episode when you had like if you had all the monkeys in a room typing for years or whatever, would they create the greatest book ever known to man? And there was the best of times, it was a blessed of times. It can be just put in there. But anyway, I guess it is a challenging world that we really find ourselves in. Where could this lead? If AI does have talent, does that mean it can support talent? Does it become the main talent that we now watch? We already know that actually affects our media consumption. I know that when I go into the various videos I watch it, it tends to show me up. The stuff roughly similar to what I watched before. But at this point, I'm still watching real people. When does it the vast majority of people then start watching the AI versions of a personality and the AI versions of songs and everything else? That's going to be an interesting point in time. Are there any research or any analytics on that suzette at the moment? Well, Netflix itself and those sort of services in themselves, that's actually how they generate content. That's why they're growing so fast is they're actually using the analytics of what people watch and developing more content based on the viewing habits of the people. So they get direct correlation between what people watch and what's advantage to you in serving you up content that you have already watched or similar content. They've been going, okay, well, if we then create content around this, it's going to be a hit. And so you get things like, I mean, recently the Squid Game came out and it's like, I think the highest rating Netflix show ever. And yet it's in Korean. And if you even go a few years back, two or three years back, having a non English speaking show on a broadcast TV channel actually be number one of all of them would have been unheard of sort of thing. But now it's because it's something that can come out of this viewing habits and the use of AI and be able to create something that actually could work. Well, definitely an accelerator. Well, it's a message that says suggested for you. It's an accelerator to get you to yeah, it is. Suddenly in the middle of the covert thing now everyone's watching Tiger King. I don't even know if there's a king of tigers. What are you talking about? And there's this thing going on. And I suppose if you look at past consumption, I mean initially Netflix would say a lot of minutes watches with The Office and now it's moved on in lots of ways. It's really interesting. So it can influence our consumption of media that's traditional because it can kind of say, hey, you tend to like this stuff. This is what you're going to tend to like. But I suppose it also brings up well, silos that could potentially happen because you don't know what's out there. If all you get shown is it's a bit like if you only ever tried chocolate ice cream. That's the only ice cream that you know, the better ice creams you don't ever know because you only get ice chocolate. And that's so true, isn't it? This might be a case of this is the only thing you know because it keeps being fed into you, the solo nation. So that's an interesting way of looking at it. Part of the discussion around has I got talent. Yeah, I think so. I guess if I was thinking when you're talking about AI as a comedian, the comedian have actually timing or is it sort of just blurts it out pretty much in a monotonous way. I don't know specifically the details, but what I suspect that they've done is that they've actually used two AIS. They've actually had a natural language processing AI. And I suspect I'm pretty sure it was a GPT-3, which was provided by OpenAI to write the actual material. The particular AI comedian. It was actually a comedian that also fed a lot of information in on I think it was an article or something around saying it got it to watch 1000 hours of comedy, for instance. Same equivalent sort of thing as you sitting down. So then wrote the content and then what they've used is another kind of AI called text to speech, which for everyone who's listening to this, you're actually experiencing as well. Because we've used that as our intro and an outro. We are using that kind. And these days that kind of technology is very natural sounding unless you really know what you're listening for. Most people wouldn't be out of picket. So there's a bit of a disconnect between when the content was created or the script, per se. The same as like as a human, you sit there and you write the script first you publish it and then you would record it, the actual side of it and it's all animated. Go on to YouTube. If you go and do a search, you can find it. But yeah, it's one of these things, one where you can do there's another search where you can go in games and at the moment there's this concept called NPC. So the people who are not gamers, that is, non playable characters and there's usually two types of NPCs in a game. And recently a movie called Free Guy is all about NPCs. So if you're very not a geeky game master, then you're probably going to play with them. But what it means is there's two work types. What I mean by that is one person is you can go up and have canned dialogue or dialogue that the programmers or the gaming company has put together and you go through a series of different options based on your selections and that interaction with that NPC. There are other kinds of NPC in the games that don't have any voice and don't talk. Well. What they've done with this kind of technology now is actually give a voice to those type of NPCs and you can actually walk up to them in these demos at the moment and have a very much off the cuff conversation with the hot dog vendor standing on the corner in your game, for instance, which it's a little delayed, but it shows you the whole aspect of where this kind of technology is going 100%. I actually think about the game engines that are actually powering. These things are just getting more and more sophisticated. And as you described speaking with a hot dog business, I never thought to do that. But why not? I guess that actually also brings to the question if AI truly does have talent, and it really has talent and it's crafted beautiful, does that mean that people want to live in that world as opposed to this world? Because the other world is a little bit more interesting? Well, we come back to some ethical considerations, don't we? I suppose for all this as well, fascinating. And I'm sure that some of those acronyms that you dropped, Suzette, might need a little bit of explanation as well. But we've also got listeners who would be into these new games, new types of entertainment. That would be fascinating to hear from as well. If you feel like dropping us a line, popping it on our next episode, that would be fantastic as well, giving us some feedback on that. Can I ask Suzette, if people listening and go, hey, they want to play with an AI, can they get it to write a song for them, so to speak, or write them some comedy? I'm kind of wondering where would we potentially be able to shoot people towards? Well, you can't actually do a song on our website yet, but we can simplemarketing AI. You can go play and get it to write you some Facebook posts and things like that. But I think if you are interested in actually having it to write as long, reach out to us through simple marketing AI or through this podcast and we can have a session like we did with you, Ben, that day. A love song between a lambda and I can't even remember now, it's a few moments ago, sorry, a frypan. It was, because that was what I was looking at at the time in my kitchen. And it worked. We were very strange. It is a brave new world. So definitely reach out to us. I'd love to know what your thoughts are. Does AI have talent? Should it have talent? Love to know more, you think? And just on the closing, just to give you an idea, here's a couple of quote. Here's a pickup line that an AI has written, very science orientated, which is great for me and Ben, and particularly with our science backgrounds. You must be an iron, because I've got an exothermic reaction. We're still a little bit away off before AI is going to be our pickup line artists. And on the song site, one of the ones that was created in that clubhouse that time, the three words were murder, coffee and cup. Yeah. And in the style of Dua Lippa. And it said, Murder a coffee cup. Take me back to the place that I know I can't remember, I can't recall I'm lost in this empty space now I can't tell how you feel now and that's a line from that particular song it generated and that was sung live into a clubhouse. It's so much fun. It is a brave new world. Somewhat scary, but also a lot of fun. And hey, look, let's be honest. If you're at a bar, sometimes someone actually throws a pickup line at you, you can go, you know what? I've seen that before. That's an AI line. Maybe you'll have some frame of reference. It could be kind of fun. Now, I'm sure this conversation has just set some people's temperature gauge is soaring. Catch you next time. Bye. Thanks for listening to this Edgy Tech podcast episode. We really hope you enjoyed it. You can find more engaging episodes at edgytech me on how AI is changing our lives, our classrooms, and how we work. Don't forget to subscribe to make sure you don't miss an episode.

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The Edgy Technique podcast explores why people consider AI scary. AI is scary because it is associated with change, and humans don't like change. AI is also scary because it is something that a lot of us don't necessarily understand. As educators, it is our job to understand the thing that's in front of us, and perhaps maybe that's one way we can take some steps towards producing some of that carrier.

This content discusses the various fears that people have regarding artificial intelligence (AI), including the fear of losing one's job to a robot and the fear of AI taking over the world. It also discusses how these fears are often exaggerated in science fiction.

There is a lot of fear and uncertainty surrounding artificial intelligence (AI) because it is something that is not like us. This fear is magnified by the possibility of AI being used for bad, as it has the potential to produce some really not great results.

The fear around AI is largely due to the rapid change that is happening in the field. People are concerned about the ethical implications of using AI, particularly in cases where it can be used to create fake versions of people or to finish works by deceased geniuses.

This content discusses the implications of AI, specifically mentioning the movie War Games and the game Horizon Zero Dawn. It argues that because AI already exists in our world, we need to educate ourselves on how to control it and make sure it operates with ethical standards.

The content discuss how AI is changing our lives and how we need to adapt to these changes. It also goes into how people may find AI scary, but the goal of the podcast is to help listeners understand and overcome that fear.

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The Edgy Technique podcast explores why people consider AI scary. AI is scary because it is associated with change, and humans don't like change. AI is also scary because it is something that a lot of us don't necessarily understand. As educators, it is our job to understand the thing that's in front of us, and perhaps maybe that's one way we can take some steps towards producing some of that carrier.

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Many people consider artificial intelligence (AI) to be scary. Why is this? There are a few reasons.

First, AI is associated with change. And humans generally don't like change. We like things to stay the same. When something new comes along, it can be unsettling.

Second, AI is something that a lot of us don't necessarily understand. It's hard to wrap our heads around the concept of machines being able to think and learn like humans. As educators, it is our job to understand the thing that's in front of us. And that's one way we can help take some of the fear out of AI.

Third, there is a lot of hype around AI. It's often exaggerated in movies and TV shows. We see AI depicted as these all-powerful machines that take over the world or destroy humanity. But in reality, AI is not quite that advanced yet.

So what can we do about this fear of AI?

First, we need to educate ourselves. We need to learn more about what AI is and how it works. This will help to dispel some of the myths and misconceptions that exist.

Second, we need to be careful about the way we use AI. We need to make sure that we are using it ethically and with the best interests of humanity in mind.

Third, we need to be prepared for the changes that AI will bring. We need to adapt to the new world that AI is creating.

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Hello and welcome to the fifth episode of the Edgy Technique podcast for educators and others interested in an AI and other new techs, their impact on education, our classrooms, how we work, and how we live. Episode we explore why people consider AI scary. We are in the fourth Industrial Revolution, led by AI and robotics. Change can be scary. Will I lose my job? Will AI. Take over the world? How will AI. Impact me and my children? In this episode, we will demystify AI for you and tell you why AI isn't scary. All episode introductions, the blurb at the end of the podcast, and the music used in this introduction are all created using AI. So we're going to be talking about AI is scary today, or is it ultimately, this is a question or this is something as a statement I get constantly. In fact, I jokingly referred to the fact that I would be a billionaire many times over if I got a dollar for every time somebody said to me, AI is scary. And so we're doing an entire episode on this one because we think that it's something that a lot of you are probably thinking about at the moment. And we wanted to demystify some of the issues around AI and bring them out. So for me, AI being scary comes and it's rooted in this whole aspect of change. As humans don't like change, we sort of fear a lot of it. And AI in itself is something that a lot of us don't necessarily understand. Ben, I see you nodding. Yeah, I absolutely was thinking about actually old black and white movies. Alfred Hitchcock. Nothing's more scarier than a closed door. I feel like a lot of this can come from fear is if I don't know what it is, I should innately and understandably be scared of it, because that's a good protective measure. I totally get that. But I guess that's part of the job as educators and more, is to understand the thing that's in front of us, and perhaps maybe that's one way we can take some steps towards producing some of that carrier. As an educator, what are your thoughts around that? Well, we're programmed for fight or flight. That's basically how we're programmed. We get the big shock or we get scared. We're uncertain, so we actually bulk down and we want to actually become more narrow and we want to feel safe, so we often can lock down. So how we get to think a little bit more rationally means that we've got to put the emotional brain to rest and get us into the prefrontal cortex where we can think more robustly and then it affects our decisions. So that's why it's such a good topic to cover suzette. And I know Jonathan is nodding as well. And instantly when you started suzette, I instantly thought of parents and kids on devices having access that isn't supervised and where will they go? And is that part of the scariness of safety as well around a safe environment for kids? So we could go on tons of tangents, really, here. So what do you think, Jonathan? Any thought? Well, there are tons of tangents. Firstly, when you were talking about the human condition, there's an Australian biologist by the name of Jeremy Griffith who has written a book called Freedom, and it's a very big time and it's extremely well resourced. And if you could imagine, if you'd bear with me, it's an analogy that he uses on some of his own podcasts. For example, if you're in a flock of birds flying from southern Africa to Europe, whether you're leaving breeding grounds and flying the feeding grounds or vice versa, it doesn't matter. And then suddenly you become sentient and you see an island off to the left and it's full of mango trees. Oh, I'm going to go down and fly down and taste some of those mangoes. I better not, then I'm leaving the flock and whatever. And that sets up the neuroses in humankind. And if you imagine now, I don't want to cross any sort of religious boundaries or whatever, but if you imagine the story of Adam and Eve, it was them becoming the first human beings that were cognizant and are self aware and sentient and that set up the human condition. But in terms of fears and whatever, I think a lot of people would fear AI in reference to their job, because we know when the Industrial Revolution came, there were people who put out of work, but there were many more people employed. That was the move from rural England to urban England. And there's that one. And then there's, of course, there's the science fiction shows and two that have come to mind, as far as I'm concerned. The show called Humans, which is about robots that you couldn't really distinguish between a human and a robot. And the other one was 100. And the 101, where AI took over the world, created a virtual world which people could, like The Matrix, not know whether they're in the real world or in The Matrix. And it destroyed the planet with nuclear warfare because humans were bad for the planet. AI does raise fears in people's minds, without a doubt. And science fiction has a very strong case of coming true in the fullness of time. Depending on time and money. Yes. At the same time, I think also, and I preface this with I'm a huge scifi buff, have been since I was very young, so there is a bit of a precedence within the entertainment industry that sort of controversy sells. So making AI and that sort of thing, or other robots, AI, these type of areas taking over the world. The other big one would be Skynet for Terminator movies, hal in 2001 A Space Odyssey. It's right back through history of science fiction that this is a big thing. And part of it, I think, is it's playing into that fear that as humans of the unknown and also the aspect of the tribal, we talked in other episodes, we've talked about ethics, and we've talked about how people unconscious bias in that side of it. We're tribal. We're not just not just a human condition, but we like things that are like us and whatever we define that as. A lot of people, I think, define AI is not like us. And so there's a lot of fear and a lot of uncertainty that comes from that. And then when you couple that with things like, as you mentioned, Jonathan, is it going to take my job? Is it going to be looking after my child? Is it going to be taking care of what types of things I mean, you mentioned that show Humans, and that started talking about Sentience, which we've also talked about in other episodes around Sentience and AI. In that particular way. Does life start? Is it digital life or not? And so I think there's a whole lot of aspects with this, but I think it all comes down to understanding that this is fear and demystify. Ben mentioned earlier about the door being shut and having to open up that door and walk through it and understand what's on the other side. You may not like it, but it's there and you've got to understand it. Yeah. And just going off that, I mean, something that I am generally okay, we're happy to put my fears out there right now. So traditionally, there was a study that's done in Japan, recall the Uncanny Valley, which is the idea of this looks like it's real, this automated on this robot. It looks like it's real, but it's not quite real. And the feeling is revulsion because it almost looks like it's undead, so to speak, like it's raised from the dead. It doesn't feel right. It feels like a corpse. And so people are naturally repelled by something that's almost as animated, but not quite. The thing is, though, I think it is generally scary when I'm happy to put out there is the deep fake stuff is interesting because it has gone past uncanny valley. Now, if you're curious, just type in deep fake faces and make sure you write in a way that doesn't get people looking at what are you trying to create. But when you look at the faces, they're almost indistinguishable from the real thing, coupled with almost indistinguishable voices from the real thing, which means effectively, there's an opportunity for some really not great actors to use AI for bad. When you talk right at the very start of this podcast series around, there are three sides to the AI coin, and the bad side is using in a way that could produce some really not great results. That's where I'm at there. Suzanne, we also talked about ethics as well. So, I mean, it seems to me that a lot of the scare, a lot of the fear is around the change, the rapid change, and we've got to be part of the conversation around the ethical use of it and the purpose of it. So I think most episodes we've talked about, we have a value system that sits underneath it as well, and we keep coming back to humanity. And it is the AI is quite sophisticated for a lot of people. And you can be, dare I say, hoodwinked into thinking something is real when it's actually artificial. It's been constructed. Yeah. I mean, we even have it in the entertainment industry now that people have died and AI is assisting them, being part of what is produced. That actually brings up the interesting ethics part, doesn't it? When do you own your image? When does it stop? Exactly. So, yeah, these are the things that really disturb people, frankly. And it is a difficult topic. And because we are all, by definition, human beings, everybody listening to this podcast and hopefully contributing through their questions and views and whatever, they are human beings, and it's all to be respected. But where's this going to lead us as a race of beings? And can it be used positively or negatively? You were mentioning about being able to finish works. Probably a number of you listening to this podcast are probably aware that when Carrie Fisher died, she was added into the third movie, but they only used existing footage. Whereas in one of the earlier movies, they actually put in one of the actors who had been in Star Wars digitally. So they had done both. But interestingly enough, just recently, in the 250th anniversary of Beethoven, they used AI to finish his 10th Symphony. That was unfinished. So being able to build on the genius of people like Beethoven to be able to finish that work. So not actually using it from a deep, fake perspective that you were saying, Ben, where it's not represented, it's very much clearly represented that it's the AI assisting that process, but using that as a way to build on the legacy of particular luminaries such as Beethoven. I wonder what that would do, though, with Beethoven. For example, if you then put an AI that was designed 20 years from now, 30 years from now, 100 years from now, and they do the same job again, would they produce the same result? You can do it again right now. And we produce a different result. Yeah. Each and every time. The same way as us, as humans, each and every time. We say the same thing when we do writing an article using exactly the same information, each time it writes a new one. When you sit down to write a piece of music or a piece of content in whatever format, you never write it exactly the same each time. And neither does the AI. Yeah, interesting. Which actually cost to the point of an early episode is AI sentient. And that's actually coming closer to actually being the case. Because if it was a true algorithm, a plus B equals C, it'd do it every single time. Right. But it's not. And that's the interesting part. Yeah, but it gets more basic than that because if you're a carpenter and using a very sharp chisel, every time you use it, it's less sharp and it just interacts differently with the wood. So yeah. No matter how skilled the carpenter or cabinet maker is. Yeah. So tools are very interesting in the way that they're used, especially if it uses its own body of work as a reference point. Because the thing is combined that with what it's done before, which is effectively what you're talking about with the chisel. Yeah, exactly right. My thinking just went to use for War and power, and so there would be a number of people who would be quite afraid of what else it could be used for. Not just say, for entertainment or for gaming or for work efficiencies. But for weapons. Yeah. My gut feel is that it'll be a war of AIS. Interesting. Just straight up, and then effectively an arms race, which one's effectively brighter and more responsive to dynamic situations, which theaters of war actually are. Yeah. It is a brave new world and very interesting and challenging topic, this particular episode. Is it? Well, essentially when you said that it's interesting because what made me think about was one of a favorite game of Mine, which is Horizon Zero Dawn, which is just about to have its new version, horizon, Fittingbiz and west come out. But it's all based on the whole aspect of post apocalyptic world that was actually the original world died because robots that had AI that were governed by AI being used as war robots actually developed, sentience, and actually then decide to kill all the humans. So this coming back to this whole AI is scary, even it's been perpetrated in a lot of different mediums. And so it's no surprise that as humans who are not being educated in how it can be effectively used and how it could be positively used, get this fear of AI and the unknown. Yeah, I was just going to mention a 1970s movie, which I think was called War Games, where it thought it was happening for real. The machine thought it was happening for real, so it was going to launch the nuclear missiles. But yeah, this whole concept is fascinating. But of course, as you've already said in previous episodes, a number of you is that we exist in a world now where AI is part of our world already. So we need to educate ourselves and other people that it's here already. It's doing things that we might like or dislike already. So how do we contribute to doing, as a previous episode said, the right ethics? How do we control it to do the right thing. But of course, it is a function of human beings, and we are complex beings. It's all about change. We come back to our response to change and how dare I say adaptable, or flexible or pivotable we are, or how we can actually think of all the different parts of it that we want to have as a value framework and then where we're able to be comfortable for where it maneuvers itself to I don't know. I don't think I've explained that well. To reinforce your point, Carrie, there's a constant refrain now within society about going back to what we were pre covert. Yes. Well, we can't possibly go back to where we were because we are all changed as individuals. We've all had a different stimuli, and things have happened which will be changed forever. So we can't go back. But it's the human desire for status quo, and that always amuses me, and no harm to the gents involved, but it always amuses me with status quo because there's no difference between every song that is okay. If you want to comment about what Jackie just said there, I'll go for it. But ultimately, understanding that AI can be scary because it's both perpetuated from the entertainment industry and things, but it also comes from a real and verifiable aspect of us as humans and the changer. And it's not wrong if you're feeling that AI is scary for you at the moment. Part of what we're trying to do with this podcast is actually demystify that for you and give you the education to hopefully make it not scary anymore and help you through that change process. So thanks so much for joining us. It's been really great, and we look forward to seeing you on the next one. Thanks for listening to this Edgy Tech podcast episode. We really hope you enjoyed it. You can find more engaging episodes at edgytech Me on how how AI is changing our lives, our classrooms, and how we work. Don't forget to subscribe to make sure you don't miss an episode. Bye.

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The author argues that AI can help with the "grunt work" of investment analysis, but that humans are still needed to make final decisions. They also point out that AI can help with filtering through large volumes of information.

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The author argues that AI can help with the "grunt work" of investment analysis, but that humans are still needed to make final decisions. They also point out that AI can help with filtering through large volumes of information.

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Welcome to the Edgy TechME podcast. This episode is produced by Ben Newsom, Suzette Bailey, Carey Benedict, and Jonathan Shack. And yes, I am an AI introducing each. This episode discusses the impact of AI on the finance industry. One speaker believes that AI can help speed up the process of reading and interpreting data, while another believes that AI can help with grunt work, such as Factchecking. Both speakers agree that AI can be helpful in helping humans cope with the deluge of information they face in the finance industry. This content discusses the benefits of artificial intelligence in helping to make decisions, particularly in the stock market. It highlights the importance of understanding trends and being able to analyze information in order to make informed decisions. It also mentions the potential benefits of quantum computing in helping to make even better decisions. Welcome everybody to this particular episode of our podcast. What we thought we might talk about today, because it's a huge topic, is like, with any new arrival of any technology, it's going to challenge people in their businesses on how they actually raise the finance, why it should be financed, and how it's going to impact on people's jobs, and how it might create more work or actually limit work for people. So it's going to be an evolving situation, and it's a huge topic, but I'd be interested in other people's views. Well, one thing I want to think about initially is obviously there's a number and data that gets submitted to different institutions to be able to get a loan, but there's speed for the people to read it, interpret it, and work it out. So is there the real place for AI to speed up those processes, perhaps? I think that'd be a fabulous idea to actually get a lot of the grunt work done by finance houses taken out of the system. I mean, just a personal example, back in 1995 when Qantas floated, I ran the float for Qantas in Europe, and I had to know every line of the prospectus well, if I had an AI that could read it for me and distill it down into the most valid and sensible salient points, I would have grabbed it. But at times, humans have to know the whole thing. But if there's grunt work to get through, AI would provide a tremendous opportunity, I think. Do you know, Jonathan, I think that grunt work is what a lot of people who don't have a great background in all the things that go to make up whatever it is you're doing with finance. I think that's where I'd like the AI to be most effective, helping me understand a whole lot of things, especially if you're in business, especially if you're in charge of massive budgets, you're looking for growth. So, yeah, I like that word, the grunt work. So if AI can do some of that, and I can be confident, I'd be confident that that grunt work is spot on. I think that would tick a couple of boxes where it actually gets really interesting because us as humans, we are almost forcing either ourselves, our staff, our colleagues to actually almost work like robots and AIS these days and doing things like as you said just a few minutes ago, Jonathan around, knowing every line in that perspective. And I think that's where AI gets really interesting and is able to help us with that grunt work. And then us as humans, AI is consistent and great for but it's not particularly doesn't think outside the box particularly well for us as humans. We're messy, inconsistent, but we're geniuses at what we do. And taking it and being able to finesse it and extend on it and expand on it, I think is great. I think that generally in life there's just this deluge of information that's falling on top of us all the time. And finance is no different and in fact the whole topic of employment is no different in that context. And if we can come up with really creative, sensible, intelligent filters to help us cope with that huge volume of information because either try and cope with it or you just absent yourself. And I think both ends of that spectrum are dangerous. I kind of wonder. So just imagine we use AI to work out which prospectus is the best for an IPO being caught for that one. Exactly. That's where I was going. Like who's in charge, who's at fault? When you drop your money at the line, which is really when you really are backing someone and it all goes pearshaped, you still are because the AI can help you to fast track the initial. I sort of see it's like when you're actually employing a whole bunch of staff and also when you're employing someone and you put out a job application and you get 100 applications, you do a first quick call through to make sure that you can get it down to maybe 20 or 30 that you can read through in more detail. The same sort of thing with the IPOs, I'd be using the AI to actually cut through and get rid of the majority of them because then I can deep dive into the ones that I'm actually interested because ultimately the bus still stops with me if I am going to use this. And that's a very good point. I mean, if I refer back to a previous career, my longest career in stockbroking is that the most professional fund managers would take information from various different stock brokers and their own sources and take responsibility for the decisions, where the inexperienced fund managers would blame the brokers if it went wrong. They would take full credit if it went right, but blame the brokers if it went wrong. But the experience fund managers knew it was their decision at the end of the day. But one thing I think it would be really useful for is honestly fact checking because I kind of think about all these reports that get produced. I mean, it's so easy to take people at face value and what they put out there in their marketing prospectus and everything else, is it real? Are the claims factual? Are they based in evidence? And that could be really powerful, I suspect. Carry well due diligence, isn't it? Isn't that what we're talking about? Exactly. Yeah. And who to trust? So in this world where we get a lot of fake being able to look at what's real, what's not, the possibility there is that we actually do get seduced by the fake information around making money, possibilities to invest. And remember the conversation when Bitcoin first came out. Who's investing, who's not, who's made money, who hasn't? I mean, to me it's due diligence. So if there's a way for helping mums like me, that'd be fantastic. There are services like this already that are doing this that are actually going through and analyzing trends. Because one thing AI is really good at is analyzing trends and understanding the insights or providing sorry, insights on trends and validating information and things. But ultimately you as a human still need to actually look at that information and say, is this relevant to me? Am I going to make a decision based on this information? Sorry. Ben Gon it is very powerful. It depends on how you're going to deploy this AI really eventually, so we as the consumers can look at, I want to invest in certain stocks or businesses or maybe our own business is failing in some way, shape or form. We need some help. I mean, at the same point, the large institutions, they have a huge amount of even just thinking shacky just when the whole covet thing happened. The banks are doing their best they could to beg as many loans out as fast as possible to keep the economy going, but they still physically had to process it. And this is something that would be really powerful. They did, absolutely. And that's where they failed, frankly, because the people processing the loans were also hearing sort of contrary views about we've got to really protect the balance sheet of the bank and make sure it's not going to go down the gurgler because we're writing all of these loans which the government wants us to make because it's got to keep the economy going. So you get these conflicting things going on and human beings are influenced by conflicting influences, no doubt about it. It could be sort of interesting too is that when you're talking about those trends in just the consumption of resources can point towards opportunities that we may completely miss as a human outright. Suddenly the whole bunch of irons now getting shipped to this country all of a sudden and you totally miss it because unless you're an iron trader, you don't like me to follow that particular thing, but it might actually point to an opportunity that realizes how many manufacturing that country I don't know. There's a lot there to be said. I suspect going through all of that information is really important and it will give you those little nuggets that previously were not able to be uncovered very effectively because you didn't have enough information or not enough people are looking. And I think somebody was talking about before about verifying information. It can also essentially provide you that oversight of what the numbers or something that a company gives you is it likely to be based on the information and do scenario mapping and all that sort of thing. So Jonathan, you wanted to add? Well, yeah, I was just going to basically bring this to a close, but also to raise another topic which comes flowing straight out of that, and that is quantum computing. Because for the people who are coming up with quantum computing, talking about trying to egalitarianise the world, as in share the wealth a bit more carefully because it's going to do just that what we've been talking about, handle all this huge amount of information and produce better results in the stock market. Whether it creates it in its own right by doing it, I don't know. Yeah, but thank you very much for the comments there. I think that this is a topic that can run and run and we'll come back to this another time, but please share with us your views and news and we'll see where we can take this further. Thanks very much and bye for now. Bye. Thanks for listening to the Edgy TechME podcast. We hope you enjoyed this episode. Please subscribe to notified about new episodes.