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Mike Zeller: Finding Your Zone Of Genius

Generated by reNotes: Are you struggling to find your zone of genius? Do you want to learn how to be more self-aware and productive? In this episode, Mike Zeller discusses his book, "The Genius Within", and how to tap into your own genius. He shares tips on how to focus on your strengths, avoid distractions, and create an environment where you can flourish. This episode is packed with valuable information on how to unleash your creativity and find success.

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Mike Zeller is an entrepreneur and author who has been featured in Forbes, Business Insider, and Fox News. His book, "The Genius Within", is all about the zone of genius and how to tap into it. He says that the key to high performance is focusing on your strengths, rather than your weaknesses. In order to do this, you need to be self-aware and understand what your strengths and weaknesses are. Once you know this, you can start to focus on your zone of genius and make decisions accordingly.

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Mike Zeller wakes up every morning and starts his day by doing a meditation and saying his incantations. He then spends the next few hours of his day focused on his work and avoiding distractions. This allows him to be more productive and successful in his business endeavors.

Mike Zeller creates his matcha latte using Jido macho brand matcha,SEA salt, hot water, oat milk, coconut oil, butter, honey, and cinnamon. He claims this is the best recipe for a matcha latte out there.

The content discusses the idea of the zone of genius, and how it may shift as a person improves their health and wellbeing. It also mentions how fried food can make a person feel depressed, and how limiting intake of such foods can improve one's mood and overall health.

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Mike Zeller is always striving for something new, and this creates a lot of change for his team. He believes that people are more excited about work when they are challenged and able to use their strengths, so he strives to create an environment where people can flourish. He is constantly making adjustments to people's roles to make sure they are in their zone of genius and playing to their strengths.

Mike Zeller says that he looks for opportunities that are easy, lucrative, and fun, and that if something is easy for him, it's probably in his genius. He also says that he looks for things that have the potential to make a big impact.

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Mike Zeller advises that leaders should spend more than 50% of their time leading themselves, in order to be successful. He also recommends reading for 30 minutes each day, in order to become an expert in various fields.

Mike Zeller talks about the importance of listening to your gut instinct and not getting too caught up in what has worked in the past. He also shares a story about a risky investment he made that ended up losing a lot of money. Despite the short-term pain, he believes that the experience was valuable in the long run.

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Mike Zeller is an author and coach who is passionate about helping people unleash their creativity and Genius. He has written several books on the topic, and plans to continue writing and coaching in the future. He is also an ordained minister.

Mike Zeller believes that we all have a divine genius potential, and that our desires are good and ordered by God. He thinks it is important for people to think deeply and reflectively in order to create magic in their lives. People can find out more about Mike and his work by visiting his website or social media platforms.

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Are you struggling to find your zone of genius? Do you want to learn how to be more self-aware and productive? In this episode, Mike Zeller discusses his book, "The Genius Within", and how to tap into your own genius. He shares tips on how to focus on your strengths, avoid distractions, and create an environment where you can flourish. This episode is packed with valuable information on how to unleash your creativity and find success.

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The Power of the Zone of Genius

Most people only operate at a fraction of their potential. In order to tap into your true potential, you need to focus on your strengths, rather than your weaknesses. This is what Mike Zeller, author of "The Genius Within", calls your "zone of genius".

Your zone of genius is the sweet spot where your skills, talents, and passions intersect. When you are operating in your zone of genius, you are in flow and everything feels effortless. You are also more likely to be successful and achieve your goals.

There are a few key things you need to do in order to find and operate in your zone of genius. Firstly, you need to be self-aware and understand your strengths and weaknesses. Once you know this, you can start to focus on your zone of genius and make decisions accordingly.

Secondly, you need to be willing to experiment and try new things. Our zone of genius can shift as we improve our health and wellbeing. So, it's important to be open to change and always be learning.

Finally, you need to be courageous and take risks. Mike Zeller says that he looks for opportunities that are easy, lucrative, and fun. If something is easy for him, it's probably in his zone of genius. So, don't be afraid to seize opportunities and go after your dreams.

If you want to learn more about Mike Zeller and his work, you can visit his website or social media platforms. You can also listen to him on the "Unleash Your Genius" podcast.

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Mike Zeller, Michael Brian

Michael Brian
This is a Michael Brian show Hi, everyone. Welcome back to the show. And today I'm joined with Mike Zeller, who's an entrepreneur, and author, and has been featured in Forbes, Business Insider Fox News, and many, many others. His book is actually the genius within and we're talking about the zone of genius today. So, Mike, firstly, thanks for being a guest on the show. And tell us a bit about the zone of genius and how you got started.

Mike Zeller
So honored to be here and excited to connect with you. Basically, I started the quest to understand my own wiring my own talents, my own strengths years ago, because also notice I sucked at certain things, I was not so good at certain things and, and that was amazing and other things. And at first, you know, you think and, and school, I gotta manage my weaknesses, I gotta, I gotta, like, get better at my weaknesses. Well, the secret to high performance often is really managing your weaknesses, but locking in on your strengths, doubling down on your strengths. And I've found, I've found that to be true over and over and over again, high performers, the best of the best men, they are locked in on their strengths. And, and so starting a bunch of different businesses, I saw that I was really good at certain aspects of business, but also was terrible at others, I would procrastinate forever on things that were not in my wheelhouse, which is a clue that is not one of your areas of genius. So you should delegate or, you know, outlay that in some way. So it's not on your plate, if you tend to procrastinate and you suck at something. And just being honest with yourself is a big thing, as well for leaders today. So, back to you.

Michael Brian
One of the things that I got really curious about when I was doing some research into the zone of genius is just how important being self aware is understanding your strengths, your weaknesses, but how do you focus down onto it? How do you get to a point where you're able to say no to some things, because this thing over here? That's what you're best at? That's what your zone of genius is? How'd you get into a space where you knuckle down and find one thing rather than let's say, I've got multiple things that I'm best at. But how do you make those final decisions?

Mike Zeller
I think we've all got multiple layers of genius in most cases. So you know, if you think about all the things we could potentially do or create, it might be like 100 Plus things. And so you know, what if I have three or four or five things that I really enjoy doing and personally for me you know, some people they want to lock in on one or two things I like doing three or four or five different things because I it keeps variety one my you know, Tony Robbins? Are you familiar with Tony Robbins six core human needs? I am yeah, yeah. So like variety is a human need. For me that's higher than maybe some like my wife does not like variety, as much she wants things to be the safe, same predictable. Because she's more safety driven, she needs more certainty, certainty is a bigger priority for her. So naturally, we'll have some friction around that. But man, I love creating what pardon my genius. I'm a Business architect. And I can see how to build a brand, a business, how to design a business around your genius. And so that's a big, big value for me. And in I can lock in all I got to create space. So like one of the things I love to do, is I'll block off the most valuable parts of my day, typically, which is for me the first three to four hours, I'm awake, and that's when I'm going to do what I'm best at, and what I'm most desperately needed in and I'm gonna have fun doing, I'm gonna lock in, I'm gonna put my fancy noise cancelling headphones on, I'm gonna get out of the house. Get away from the wife and baby not because I don't love them but because I want to lock in and focus and create and, and, and I have fun I get to swim in the world. I get to swim in creation. For me that's a lot of fun as an entrepreneur and leader and creator and but I gotta block that time away. And the other cool thing is I'm twice as likely to step in a flow state. If I'm functioning out of my strengths instead of my weaknesses. And when I'm in flow state or anyone is in flow state they're 500% more productive. Crazy

Michael Brian
500% That is pretty intense. That's a massive, massive difference, isn't it?

Mike Zeller
It is it is. And so one of the secrets is like, hey, alright, how do I get myself in flow state? How do I get myself like you think of, I think one of the fundamental truths of anyone that does creates an exceptional family creates an exceptional business, or is exceptional at their work? Or exceptional health. You got to their environmental designers. And you got to like think of family, I got to create wisdom in health, relational health, what does that look like? What's environment needs to look like? For relational health? Oh, we deal with conflict. We don't avoid things. We don't shove things under the rug. But we also deal with conflict kindly and respectfully, and create space for people to listen, that's the environment, we create health. Hey, if I'm eating junk food in junk food out, right, like, I got to, if I'm, my health and fitness routine is poor, guess what? My body functionality is going to be much further below its potential. business success. How do I like one of the things I like to ask a lot of my mastermind members, or any, any anybody that has undermined mentorship as a what does my environment need to look like for the success that I crave? Whatever, however, I define it to be inevitable, meaning I want gravity to pull me up, not down. What's that success look like? So the people, the places the tribe, the experiences, the mindset, what is my diet? My mental diet? Am I listening great podcasts like this? Am I connecting with great people like you? Or am I connecting with negative nancies and complainers and moaners and groaners and whoever, right, like I want to connect with those that expand me, the people that give me life, not the people that give me death. And I have to make that hard assumed and Nick's those people out, or reduce my time and exposure to them and double down on the time and exposure to people that lift me up, and then then put myself in roles and opportunities that I'm most likely to succeed and flourish in.

Michael Brian
How do you structure your mornings given that you block off the first few hours? Do you have a way of setting those hours or whether it's a morning routine and when it feels like that you have something that you stick to religiously that helps you perform?

Mike Zeller
Yeah, I definitely do. Most since you're in Ireland, this is a rare, rare early morning podcast interview for me. But because you're an Irish brother in different timezone. But normally, the first three hours I have my phone is typically off. It's not on. It's an airplane mode. I don't check my email. I don't check my social. In most cases, I will spend the first 30 minutes doing like a meditation, do my incantations. You know, if you're not familiar with incantations or affirmation. So stayin up in the morning, I'll say, I've got it recorded. It's two minutes and 23 seconds long and starts with I am Magic Mike, I create magic in people's lives and businesses. I'm a powerful force for good I am a wealth magnet, I'm a amazing and loving and doting father and uncle, all those things devoted husband, etc, etc. Side to clear where I'm going every single day because guess what, I don't wake up. I wake up, when my alarm clock goes off, I want to I want to hit snooze most mornings, but I'm not gonna do my best if I'm hitting snooze every morning. So and then if I'm kind of in mental cobwebs, I want to direct my mind and my emotions to where it wants to go where I want it to go. So that's the kick off the bat affirmations and genius supplement nootropic nootropics or you know supplements that help your brain focus and stimulate mental performance. So I take the ad in the morning from genius brand. And it's got some ashwagandha and other things natural Arabic herbs that help you stay calm but locked in, and then I do some martial blot a matcha latte, and then I will start after my 30 minutes of reading out typically read for 10 to 15 minutes. I'll read longer during the course of the day, but I'll lock in for the morning just to get my mind right. I'll do a little bit of journaling. I'll review my action items for the day. And then I'll dive in typically to a writing or creative project, something that needs me to think I'll do one of my best most value. I'm going to use my best energy not all hours of Same. So I've got about three to four hours in peak mental and emotional energy. I'm gonna use that as my most important, biggest needle mover in my life or business. And so like I might be writing a book, I often I wrote my book, typically from the hours of 5am to 8am. Every morning for about 30 days, and I had it done after that.

Michael Brian
I've heard you've got quite the skill when it comes to your matcha lattes in the morning, if you've got any words of wisdom to share on that.

Mike Zeller
Yeah, I love matcha matcha has about 100 times more antioxidants and coffee, and it also has l theanine which creates more focus. So again, I want to create I don't want the jitters and I don't want the energy crash. But basically to create a great match to latte. I literally think I have created the best matcha latte recipe in the world. No joke. So you got to start with great ingredients. So this Jido macho brand. You don't necessarily need the ceremonial matcha. But matcha is basically round up. A select group of green tea leaves ground finely ground into powder. And so you get this huge genome. It has about half the caffeine of a cup of coffee, or a little bit more maybe two thirds of caffeine but slow release. And then as I get that, I'm blended in with a little sea salt, Himalayan sea salt, one last like half of a teaspoon whatever it is. Little water hot water. blend that with a whisk, add some oat milk, full fat oat milk or coconut milk, whatever milk of choice, regular milk if you'd like but that creates inflammation dairy milk does. So then add spoonful a small spoonful of coconut oil and butter and honey or maple syrup and some cinnamon on top. And it is absolutely delicious, guys, so it's it's really freakin good. I've had people rave about it once they've tried it.

Michael Brian
It sounds like you've taught bulletproof coffee and gone. How can I add to it? This seems like there's something missing because you mentioned butter and an oat milk and things like that. And it just instantly made me think of bulletproof coffee.

Mike Zeller
Yeah, it's it's bulletproof coffee for matcha latte with my own little twist. So

Michael Brian
I am trying to actually reduce things like caffeine at the moment. But from what you said that is definitely definitely a replacement worth considering for sure. I am going to give it a go. When I tried to figure out the idea of the zone of genius making sure that you're in your best state because I've I've realized, and I'm sure you can speak to this as well is does the zone of genius change and shift dependent on your own state. So let's say you look after your health more, you eat better, you exercise a little bit more. Let's say you make notes before you start committing to your health and your zone of genius could be whatever it happens to be, then you make a commitment to your health. Let's say you start to work out every day. Does your zone of genius Shift as you start to improve yourself?

Mike Zeller
Great. Exactly. Good question, Michael. So naturally, like what I'm a human being, which means I'm housed in a body. So how do I get my body into peak performance? Like I don't want to feel good. I don't want to just feel not bad. I want to feel freakin good. I want to feel focused, energized, excited. And so my diet like I noticed, as an example, one time I went a whole year, I was on the super strict diet because I was playing baseball, college baseball, and I did not eat a single fried food for a whole year. And I would limit myself to one dessert a week so I would have a dessert on Sundays and eliminated soda eliminated any like super sugary drink. And I got my body fat down to 6% Wow man ash. Yeah, after my nickname my freshman year college was beefcake. my fraternity brothers used to come beefcake because I was just shredded. I was I was ripped physically. But then at the end of that year, I was like you know what? I want some long john Silver's, which is American fast food, beer battered fried fish and chicken. I got a long john Silver's ordered what what was one of my favorite meals when I was a kid. I pick it up, go home, eat it. The next day, I felt depressed. I literally felt depressed. And whoa. This is what it feels like to eat fried foods, if I've been cleansed of it and then I go get it. Then many people were eating fried foods every week or every day even. I french fries for example. Now I don't eat. Most of the time, I will have I can count on one hand how many times a year we'll have fry typical fried french fries. Even though I love them, what do I do we actually have an airfryer now, so I can, I can cut up french fries and eat, eat without the oil without the bad fats. But Dave Asprey, the founder of bulletproof since we mentioned that he talks about how fried foods are one of the most destructive things to our brain and to performance. So I don't want that jump, because I know my family deserves me showing up. My clients deserve me showing up. My myself. My God, my purpose deserves me showing up at my best. So am I gonna in? Am I gonna put sludge in my body? Heck, no, I want to be disciplined about that. And eating healthy doesn't have it. living healthy doesn't have to be something that tastes bad like, anyone I will tell you, I'm a foodie. I like good food. I like good rings. I don't want a life's too short eat crap. So I'm not just going to eat, you know, like a rabbit. But I'm going to eat some good stuff do.

Michael Brian
I found that when I first started to grow a business or build something for myself, I realized that when I started things were very different. Because I never really understood how when I improve whether I learn a new skill, or I focused more on my mental state, my mental health, I found that when I started to do that, everything started to change. The potential of what I could do was so much more than what it was when I started. Did you have any experiences where your zone of genius shifted? Because you did all the things that we spoke about before focused on your health, focusing on your mental state and all those things? Did you have that for yourself?

Mike Zeller
Yeah, I think that's a phenomenal point. I think when we when we are focused on our when we get our health, it's like I just created more capacity for me to show up and for me to play at my best when when I am aware of these things when I am connected. When I am in my lane when I'm at my peak performance, it's like I'm just capable of more. So yeah, your performance. So just being intentional about it, like extra time walks in nature, like Debbie that connected us, you know she she has a whole path and a purpose around helping people get out in nature more experienced a magical rejuvenation and resetting capacity for unplugging from Wi Fi for getting out of the house going on a walk, get into nature in a just electromagnetically resets you as well. So little habits, what you eat, what environments to put yourself on who you put yourself around. All you know, all those things are a big, big factor.

Michael Brian
It's also Fascinating, isn't it? How if you empower other people to find their zone of genius as well, and let's say they become your staff, that can have a big impact as well. Can't it helping others find theirs that then allow you to fulfill yours? Talk to us a bit about that?

Mike Zeller
Yeah, what I found like some of my staff, they love, they love. I mean, I'm not an easy boss, I'm fairly demanding. I'm always creating something new. I'm always going after something new. And you know what, what happens is, as we do that, you know, it creates a lot of change. So like I have a lot of change, but because my team feels like they're always growing like they most of my team members in today's day and age will stay with me three to four or five years, sometimes longer. And it's because they're being challenged. They're being stretched there's there's not a ceiling of their growth and capacity. So if I'm always growing and I'm creating an environment that respects and appreciates and then Meier's, other people genius, guess what great things are gonna happen. And that's what we want. We want create an environment where people have room and capacity to flourish, capacity to stretch capacity become more of who they really are. So that's a big, big thing for me is like, how do I help people? My passion obsession is unleashing people's genius and, and people are more excited about work when they get to use their strings and are much more likely to flourish instead of flopping.

Michael Brian
Have you ever had to have a conversation with someone around this and maybe realized it wasn't quite aligned in the right way? And how did you go about making the adjustments and shifts once you realized what their zone of genius was?

Mike Zeller
I think we've always having to make shifts and always pay attention. Like right now, my EA, you know, she shared last week on something she was hoping she wasn't negotiating, but she was helping with a contract. And she was just remind me, Hey, Mike, I hate to negotiate. And if I look in our strengths, on our strengths finder, and on her Myers Briggs, or wealth dynamics that says, Yep, she's not gonna, she's not gonna like to negotiate. And so I keep her out of that. And then we're fine tuning, always fine tuning people's roles, Estelle, when my team members, I'm like, locking her and more and more and more into her genius, and or potential to create, around driving things forward. She's really good at certain things around that. So that's a big piece to like, what where are they designed to flourish? How can I put them in a position for that, even if that means and if they're playing out of position, I want to be conscious of oh, this is not their strength. So I'm going to put them over here, set them up to succeed. And if they're out of position for too long, I know they're going to get frustrated, they're going to be unhappy, so I don't want them over there to home.

Michael Brian
How fast do you tend to make changes? Is there anything that's perhaps too quick for people? Or have you found that quick is always better?

Mike Zeller
I mean, it depends if it's a new idea, a new opportunity that I might, I might make the change pretty immediately, like, within the first like, you know, 30 to first like, couple hours, I might boom, hey, we're going to shift to this right now. But oftentimes, it's a little bit longer than that. So I don't have a hard and fast rule. But if if, if I'm able to make the change quickly, without creating too much pain and disruption, I want to do it quickly, like crystal, one of my employees, has she she wanted to do a couple of things. I made the decision in 20 minutes. So yep. Okay, that makes sense. Let's do it. Because I'm guided by the principle of like, for example, I recorded my audiobook. I'm not as good. She's a voiceover actress, and voiceover artists. She's a musician and a singer songwriter. And she loves speaking. She loves I like speaking to, but I don't want to, for me to read my book on audio. I did not do so good. I slurred my words, I ran through it fast. I was bored. And bored reading my own book, not because my book is boring, but because it's a repetitive task. That is not my genius. So I handed it off to her. I'm like, alright, I'll just do the intro and outro and you can even record the book. And that was when she proposed that idea to me at first as the author is supposed to read his own book. We want to hear from either I was like yeah, I'm a genius. Never will be and we'll read a bunch of books. I don't want to read them all. Alright, my hand it over to her.

Michael Brian
So what kind of questions do you ask yourself to help you because I imagine you've got a couple of rules that you set yourself for. That's an in the moment thing that's like life happens something's come up and you've got to decide whether that's for you or whether that's for somebody else or whether you don't do it all together. How do you make those distinctions?

Mike Zeller
Um, I look at you know, when you look at the nature of the potential impact the leverage the challenge with it you know, one of my rules is I want to look for things that are elf easy, lucrative and fun. So if it's easy for me that's probably actually in my genius, because in the thing challenges like there's probably things what are you amazing at Michael, I'm curious, what are you three You can amazing that that just comes to you like that. Yeah, boom, I got this. This is easy. It's actually kind of hard for a friend romantic and you know, person, whatever, what, what are a couple of things that you're just freaking amazing it I'm curious.

Michael Brian
For me personally, it's probably listening to being able to connect the dots for people before they can connect it themselves.

Mike Zeller
Okay, great. So naturally probably more of an empathetic connected listener, which makes you a great podcast. That's right, you're asking thoughtful questions, you're flowing with the conversation instead of rigid, this my outline where I'm going. So I've found for me, I'm, what's easier for me architecting out ideas is generating the first 80% of an idea than letting someone else finish the last 20% I'm not I suck at finishing things. I'm amazing at the beginning. So I gotta hire as a smart, not foolish, you know, leader, I gotta hire people around me that are amazing at the finish, and I gotta be okay, owning that, saying, Hey, I'm amazing at this, guys. I'm not so good at this. And the reality is the people around you already know that. But your honesty actually creates space for them to say, all right. Hey, Mike, remember, you suck at this. Let me take that for you. And I'm good at this. I actually enjoy this.

Michael Brian
So how can you actually find people that can finish the things that you can't? Because while I understand the element of ungrate, for the first 80%, the last Wednesday, I tend to struggle. But how do you find someone where the last 20%? Is their genius? Because I'm sort of playing devil's advocate now, if they themselves have a hard time starting? Because it's not their zone of genius? How do you balance that when you're trying to find people?

Mike Zeller
So for me, what I've found is when I look at my whole process, which I take people do five different personality test, if they're a client are going through my zone of genius, my genius within book my zone of genius course. And so you go through the wealth dynamics, only test, it shows you your natural pathway for building wealth, which we all want to get wealthier, let's be honest. Right? Second, your strengths finder that shows you some of your natural tendencies for strengths, and your top five out of 34 strengths. The third is your DISC profile. Fourth is your Myers Briggs. This measures like how dominant you are, how interactive you are, how are you a steady personality type? Are you kind of like up and down? Or are you conscientious or careful? So I'm a high di low se. So I like to drive things forward. And I like to influence and persuade people for my high, high in ideation and connectedness and belief, and relator on the StrengthsFinder. Myers Briggs intp. So I like to architect things I'm a great problem solver, wealth dynamics. I'm a creator, I like to generate ideas, create things, I'm great at project based leadership, not people based leadership. I love to innovate and test out things and I I'm comfortable with the risk, like a lot of people are wired like me or like Elon Musk, Steve Jobs. Richard Branson, you know, they take risk and they might slap. They're okay with slapping like Elon Musk was almost bankrupt, like three times in 2018. Now, he's the world's wealthiest man behind Vladimir Putin. So, right, so you think these things, you're gonna have bigger ups and downs as a creator, and I'm okay with that. So other people need to be steadier, like Warren Buffett is a he's an accumulator on the wealth dynamics, slow and steady. Now I look at Alright, so if I'm those things, so So if I'm a leader or business owner, my thing is, I want to put myself in my right positions to succeed. Like Socrates said, To Know thyself, is beginning of all wisdom, the hawk, the founder of visa, he found that the very best leaders when he started writing for Harvard Business Review, he found the very best leaders did something that ordinary leaders did not do, which is they spent more than 50% of their leadership energy on leading themselves, which means I put myself in the right position. I don't I'm not haphazard, and accident all about that. And then I look around me when I do those tests. When someone goes to my full process, they got the greatest accumulation of clues about Who on earth they are, what on earth they're meant to do. And then where they're amazing and where they suck. So then I look at all right, I need someone that's amazing finisher that loves the administration that loves these other things it loves to perform loves to be out front. Okay. That's good. All right, so then I just design job ads and roles that fit those profiles, not that attract another one of me. I don't want another one to me. I want someone else that that balances me out. So I hope that kind of makes sense.

Michael Brian
Yeah, I thought it's almost like the more you know about yourself, you have to figure out where the gaps are, where the spaces are, where you don't quite have the complete picture. You can find someone that completes the the picture foyer.

Mike Zeller
Exactly. Yeah. And whole Jerry Maguire thing You complete me as true.

Michael Brian
Yeah. Okay, Mike, I have a bit of a rapid fire questions for you if you're open to it. What is the best piece of advice you've ever received?

Mike Zeller
Spin 30 minutes a day learning and grown, at least, that has had such a long term ripple effect. I learned that at age 19. And so 30 minutes a day reading is what I started doing then. And now I've read over 2000 books. I can say I'm a certified expert in leadership, human performance, relationships, sales, marketing, business, entrepreneurship. So many other things become an expert in trauma and healing like restoring, you know, human beings to their full potential. So, yeah, read 30 minutes a day. Another one was along those lines, Brian Tracy said, Hey, if you read a book a month in your chosen field, you'll be an expert in three years. That's not that hard.

Michael Brian
No, no, it's not 36 books will go down as the worst piece of advice you've ever received.

Mike Zeller
I got advice from a mentor back and what was it like 2017, or something 2016 that I had all this talent and all this relationship in real estate. My heart wasn't in it. It was more my past and my future. But I trusted his guidance. And, you know, I started home renovation, that ended up honestly losing over $200,000 on only property I've lost money on. And I didn't go with my gut, my gut was saying now, you don't need to be in real estate in that arena anymore. You have a different path of a different future. Your past doesn't, it gives you clues about your future. But it doesn't dictate your future. And I wanted to move out of this that arena. And now I'm fully out of it. But at the time, that's, you know, it was kind of an obvious thing is like, Hey, you got this thing, but my heart wasn't in in my gut. And he didn't ask me, What does your gut say? What? What are you longing for more of? So now as a as a mentor to others? I'm not going to tell them just hey, you can do this because you've done it in the past. And it's easy money making opportunity. No, I want people to make decisions that are in alignment with their destiny.

Michael Brian
If someone was to struggle to find their zone of genius, let's say they started they read your book, and I decided to go down that path. What would you say to somebody that was having a hard time really nailing it down?

Mike Zeller
Um, I think Well, I think if when someone goes down the path and starts the quest to find their genius, your goal is not to figure out everything like a crystal ball, or you know, a psychic. Your goal is to see what are the right next steps. You think of, you know, car at night, car at night, the lights to help you see the road ahead. The next parts the road ahead, the turn ahead, doesn't let you see the whole road. I'm not gonna see the road. I'm driving from, you know, Paris to Barcelona. I can't see the whole road at once. But I can see my next you know, 100 feet or next 200 feet. You know, and there's a verse in the Bible and psalms that says, Your word is a lamp unto my feet light onto my path. What's the lamp and old times before we had you know when we We're walking and traveling by horseback and all that a lamp, you're holding up a lamp, a gas powered lamp, you can see or fire driven lamp, you can see the next five to 678 steps, can't see everything. So, sometimes we're obsessed with the finish line, we need to be obsessed with the journey and be present to the journey. And the right next steps. What am I right next steps?

Michael Brian
What would you say was the biggest risk that you've taken that paid off, and then the biggest risk that you take and that didn't pay off?

Mike Zeller
And I think I feel like a lot of my most painful risks that I took that are lost money short term, are now still really valuable. Like a look at my Yeah, I started men's fashion line, I lost over 300 grand probably in that venture of just money than I lost and, and mistakes and things like that. But then also, the return on it of the learning and the growth and the you know that Napoleon Hill says, behind every setback is the seed of an equal or greater opportunity. And I have found I now what do you get to do with seed? See, let's think of a walnut, you got to crack that sucker open a bird on the ground, give it water and sunlight and fertilizer and all that for it to grow. So you got to be intentional with the seed, otherwise, it's gonna be wasted. But the seed is really, really important. So they're seeds of opportunities and your failures, I don't think any failure is wasted unless I let it be wasted. But starting clothing line, short term, man that sucked doing that home renovation, where I lost a couple 100 grand, that sucked. There was no win in the next two or three years directly from that. But long term might be way smarter as a decision maker. As a result of both of those, and I'm grateful I took those risks. And, you know, I'm just getting started. So the next couple of years are gonna be tremendous fun for me, they already are. So for

Michael Brian
the last question in the rapid fire round, Mike, what will go down as your keys to success, and I'll let you list as many as you think are relevant.

Mike Zeller
You know, first one that I love is, is knowing your genius? I think Socrates was pretty wise guy, you said to know thyself, is the beginning of all wisdom. So now I'm a little biased, I created a book around finding human genius. But at the end of the day, Socrates, he mentored Plato and Aristotle, founders of Western culture, we don't have democracy without Socrates. Pretty wise guy. So I'm gonna say, You know what, to know thyself has been always on, get to know yourself. People accomplish extraordinary things, put themselves in extraordinarily right positions over and over and over, I can go, you cannot tell me. No, I have yet to see an example of someone who did something extraordinary. That was not at the end, when they got the end result was not an extraordinarily right position. And they're a it's part art part science, you can figure out what an extraordinarily right position would be for you with much greater clarity and much greater precision. And think how valuable precision is, if I'm having a heart surgery or brain surgery. I don't want the doctor to be guessing. I want them to be as frickin precise as possible. You know, and you look at a, I was reading something about SpaceX and all these rockets and stuff. They they've been right, that the science and the predictions, they had been right to the 99.9999% of the of the time in the sense of the reactions and the results and time, like, you know, they predicted it was going to take X number of minutes and seconds. And they were on point to like they missed by two seconds. Some of those predictions and it's like, wow, how are so precisely right. Well, I think you can be precisely right on your genius. So the first thing, find your genius, the most important thing is figure out your genius, figure out your right position, and create that self awareness which also includes trauma and emotional intelligence and healing and wholeness and mindfulness. So that you're not just blundering people and acting out of out of lack of self control, or some people do.

Michael Brian
Do you have another one? Or is that the means key to success for you?

Mike Zeller
I have another 100% I would say, again, back to the environmental design, put yourself in masterminds put yourself like I lead high level masterminds, I'm in masterminds as well. Because man, I put myself in those environments, guess what I'm going to naturally expand. If I put myself around other expansive people over time, I'm gonna continue to expand. I'm just gonna ripple upwards. I want to continue ripple upwards. No. So what does that look like for you? How do you put yourself in proximity, proximity is power, is I have relationships. Now, with so many amazing people that if I didn't have those relationships, I wouldn't be able to create and accomplish nearly as much. And I'd be fighting an uphill battle. So there's a massive benefit to relational net worth.

Michael Brian
To shift gears a little bit, Mike mine here, you're a pretty avid traveler. So you've been to a lot of countries a lot of traveling, do you have any interest in places that you visited, and any particularly memorable stories that stand out?

Mike Zeller
Men, we've got a lot we've been through getting, we got married in Florence, Italy. And we love love Florence, like studying I'm big fan of Da Vinci and Michelangelo, and the story of the Renaissance. Like, here's something crazy, you know, Florence. So DaVinci. He was he was born in the middle of the Renaissance and helped usher it in. But what happened before the Renaissance age, the black plague spread throughout Europe for 100 years, it was 100 year pandemic, there was, like 100 times worse than what we've got. Now, like 50 million people died at a time the population was much smaller, like a third of the whole population died. Right. So that'd be like billions of people being wiped out. And what happened, and it created this disruption of the world order created a new pathway for seeing the world for acting. people migrated, it was one of the great migration movements of world history where people moved from this city to that city or this place to that place. And so I when I walked the streets of Florence, I'm stepping into a portal of a story that's already been happening. Like when we were born, our story did not begin with us. Our story began with our parents, and our parents story began with their forefathers, right, like so they're, we're born into a story. And we add to the story. But we're born into a story of human history of our family history, of relationships, of patterns of beliefs, of traumas of stories. So I'm being conscious of that. And so Florence, Italy is my favorite. My wife's favorite is Ireland, as we discussed. We snuck into Ireland in the middle of the pandemic, and 2020 for work purposes, because my wife was writing. She's still writing her novels, and she wanted to be in Ireland for inspiration. Unfortunately, the border guy, I think, just got when he, he, my wife started panicking because she's a rule follower. And he started drilling down some questions and like, Hey, you only supposed to be here if you're on medical, whatever, medical worker, and then I just played it cool, went on. And eventually he just rubber stamped us and let us in. But he, he did not want to, but fortunately had a great time and Ireland and, and we missed out on all the music in the pubs though. That was my wife's like, you gotta come back during when music is alive in the pubs. So anyway,

Michael Brian
what's the future like for you if you've got any big plans? I know you mentioned that you've got a few books in the pipeline. What's the future for Mike Zeller?

Mike Zeller
Probably a new book every six months or so. That's gonna be a big part of the future. becoming known as America's number one expert at helping unleash people's genius. So that's the second a second big piece. Fingers crossed moving to LA, Los Angeles and then just a min my obsession is is people's genius. And so how can I help unleash more, more genius in the world? You know, one of the crazy things when we the 1960s they did the study them, and found that 98% of four and five year olds scored at the genius level of creativity. But by the time they got to be full fledged adults, only 2% of adults scored a human genius level of creativity. So in other words, NASA astronauts are less creative than four and five year olds. So you know what I want to I want to help bring that number back, like get us get the adults back up to the 98%. Because I believe everybody has genius, no, helping nation. So that's my obsession right now.

Michael Brian
That's crazy to think that it's almost like growing or experience tends to kill creativity. Almost. All right, yeah. So just to finish this off, Mike, I've heard a rumor that you're actually an ordained minister. So in the spirit of leaving no stone unturned. Mike, do you have anything in particular that you want to share before we finish off?

Mike Zeller
No, I think I think God has purpose for us all. I think that we all have genius, I believe, and people's divine potential. And I believe that also if you have a desire that is within you for X, or Y, or whatever it is, that desire is good. And it's been placed there. Where did it come from? I think it's been most of our desires. Obviously, we can have desires that are driven by greed or ego. If it's a good healthy desire, and of accomplishment, you can desire to be very wealthy, but not out necessarily out of ego. Other than ego, like healthy self regard, there is healthy ego, right? Desires are good. And they they think they're divinely ordered, in most cases. And pursue it be like most of us, if we stick with something long enough, and we are reflective creatures, human beings were among the most reflective of creatures, but not all of us used our reflective abilities, as well as we could. You know, there's a reason the book is called Think and Grow Rich, not get busy and Grow Rich, not grind and Grow Rich, not hustle and work 80 hours a week and Grow Rich, Think and Grow Rich, the magic is in the thinking part of things. So but that's a really hard work is the thinking. So, if you're one of the 1% that wants to do some deeper thinking, then you can create magic in your life

Michael Brian
was very, very well put my Bella fantastic way to end. If anyone would like to get to learn more about you. Where can people find out more? And also get the book?

Mike Zeller
Yeah, thank you. You can go to genius within book.com and also have a six steps to find your genius guide. I'll put that in the notes or I'll give that to you, Mike, for the notes. Also, you know, you can go to Mike zeller.com or on any of the social media platforms, Tik Tok, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, LinkedIn kwinter. All at the mic Zeller. So as ze wo er. So we'd love to hear from you dive in. You can get the book at amazon as well wherever you're at in the world. And we'd love to hear from you and serve you in your journey.

Michael Brian
Thank you so much for being a guest on the show. For those that are listening. Make sure you subscribe if you haven't already, so you don't miss any of our future episodes. The review wherever you will listen again to your podcast and feel free to share the show, tell others spread the word. And I look forward to seeing you all again on the next episode. Mike, thanks again for being a guest.

Mike Zeller
And pleasure. Thanks for having me on.

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